Our mentality's all wrong - even the supporters

[Basil Fawlty]

The problem lies squarely at the foot of two men. Dean White and Bob Booker, why in god name didn't we just get rid of them! Slade then could of brought in his own coaches, and we wouldn't be where we're now. I think Slade has three games to save himself, because after Yeovil, Gillingham and Tranmere. We've got Leeds, Charlton and Norwich coming up and I'm not expecting anything out of those three, with the way things are going at the moment.

 

[Bwian]

I cant give up my information. but thats not the issue here. The fact is can he lead us to promotion? Does he command respect from the players?

Not in my opinion

Of course it's the issue here-at least AN issue. You're saying that the players are wondering where the manager is all week on a thread about the mentality being all wrong.

If the manager isn't around all week then it shouldn't be a surprise if things aren't right on the playing front. I somehow doubt that Tony Bloom would allow that to happen given our current league position and our recent dumping out of two cup competitions.

 

[bhamanandboy]

White takes Training i believe - bet he has them doing doggies all morning!

Slade cant be expected to take training can he?

 

[pork pie]

It may "only" be the piss-pot trophy, but it was a chance to actually win a match and get some pride back, and there could have been a day out at Wembley.

Let's just concentrate on our main task of getting promotion shall we?

 

[Basil Fawlty]

Let's just concentrate on our main task of getting promotion shall we?

Not going to happen with the way we're at the moment!!! Relegation scrap is more concerning at the moment.

 

[Storer68]

Its about credability.

Although I accept that results and tables do not always reflect the quality of the manager, it is what we on the outside have to use for an indicator of a managers ability, some of us are willing to allow a manager more time to see exactly how this might pan out than others.

My point is that the same people that were embracing Slades longer term appointment are now vehemently wanting him sacked some 6 weeks later.

Some are the same people that also celebrated the Adams appointment and Wilkins sacking.

Undeterred these poster continue to offer a view without acknowledgement of their previous errors, I just find it baffling.

My own view on Slade is that it was likely to be a risky appointment based on so few games, and because of his recent bad results my view hasn't changed and I would supect he is under some pressure to deliver results.

But the man that appointed him some weeks ago must also take some responsibility if he feels that Slade must now go because Tony Blooms judgement is paramount to the future progress of the club.

it's ALL about results. They ALWAYS reflect the ability of the quality of the
manager. That's why Adams, Wilkins, McGhee, Hinshelwood etc etc, were fired,

Slade's record is PISS POOR at the moment
Played 26, Won 8, Drawn 5, Lost 13

 

[pork pie]

Not going to happen with the way we're at the moment!!! Relegation scrap is more concerning at the moment.

I agree, I was being sarcastic.

 

[BigGully]

it's ALL about results. They ALWAYS reflect the ability of the quality of the
manager. That's why Adams, Wilkins, McGhee, Hinshelwood etc etc, were fired,

Slade's record is PISS POOR at the moment
Played 26, Won 8, Drawn 5, Lost 13

Your wrong.

My point is when does any number of games reflect the managers ability, weekly, monthly, half a season a full season

At what point did Ferguson become a good manager from nearly being sacked by United ??

So your analysis remains flawed.

Would Ferguson, Wenger deliver success under the constraints of managing a lower league club, maybe not, but I don't think that would mean that they are bad manager's.

I know its a results game in terms of tenure and the managers know it too, I think the average lifespan of a league one manager has gone from 18 months to 12 months.

I am questioning those that celebrated his appointment only weeks ago that now feel comfortable to slag the guy off, without acknowledgement of their own bad judgement in the first instance.

 

[portlock seagull]

What we need is a dedicated defensive coach I think.

How many last min goals have we conceded? Most of our sendings off have been f***ing stupid when there has been no danger. I accept hacking someone down in the last min if thru on goal, but not when we are getting players sent off for challenges on the half way line etc.

Going forward we are ok.

And why against MK Dons was KFC, Freddie Mercury and Salde all shouting instructions AT THE SAME TIME? I bet the players didnt have a f***ing clue who to listen to.

There is a saying about TOO MANY COOKS.

Spot on about need for defensive coach; whatever strengths the current mgt set up have, this looks like an area we desperately need to improve in fast. But I don't think we're even ok going forward, because we frequently don't score - facts are there to be seen by all.

 

[portlock seagull]

if forster doesn't make something out of nothing then we lose most weeks.

That is perhaps the most worryingly truism of all.

 

[bhamanandboy]

If you had a defensive coach i doubt he would be able to teach them much! If your not talented, your not talented and that's it.

It would be like trying to teach a dog to speak german!

 

[SJ's Love Monkey]

The problem is changing your manager every season just doesn't help the stability of the club does it? Slade performed miracles in keeping Brighton up last season but as someone else said on here he was in a win/win situation really because nobody expected him to save relegation but he did and turned out a hero for Brighton fans. He hasn't had the best of starts this season but there are still 35 odd games to go so i think sacking him now would do no good at all, but as a fan myself i can understand a lot of your frustrations.

 

[portlock seagull]

I agree, I was being sarcastic.

I spotted that - the clue was your use of the word "promotion"!

 

[eastlondonseagull]

Now I am not one for rose tinted specs, and I take your points BUT I really do believe that we are a better team than last year and I really do believe that our results make us look a damn sight worse than we are. I watched us dominate Orient last night, in the same way we dominated Southend and, to a lesser extent, MK franchise. How we managed to come away with no points and out of the piss pot is baffling and frustrating but we are not far off being back in contention in my view.

Quite, BH. Yet again, this is a Portlock thread (hello fella ) following a game he's not been to. How do you know the mentality was wrong last night, mate? I wasn't there, either, but reports I've heard have said that we were on top, that the mentality of the players is NOT wrong. I'm gutted we lost, but will pull myself together to fight another day

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[portlock seagull]

Your wrong.

My point is when does any number of games reflect the managers ability, weekly, monthly, half a season a full season

At what point did Ferguson become a good manager from nearly being sacked by United ??

So your analysis remains flawed.

Would Ferguson, Wenger deliver success under the constraints of managing a lower league club, maybe not, but I don't think that would mean that they are bad manager's.

I know its a results game in terms of tenure and the managers know it too, I think the average lifespan of a league one manager has gone from 18 months to 12 months.

I am questioning those that celebrated his appointment only weeks ago that now feel comfortable to slag the guy off, without acknowledgement of their own bad judgement in the first instance.

This thread's not about sacking anyone though, despite the undeniable fact thatSlade's record is poor. It IS about the apparent lack of a winning mentality, especially amongst fans.

 

[Acker79]

This thread's not about sacking anyone though, despite the undeniable fact thatSlade's record is poor. It IS about the apparent lack of a winning mentality, especially amongst fans.

Is a winning mentality essential?

I know that may be sacriligious to some, but isn't the romantic idea of supporting your local team about more than winning? About more than on the pitch success? Isn't it about a spirit of community, togetherness, entertainment, socialising etc.

We talk about how the premier league is all about money etc. isn't that why "real football fans" criticise it, and sky for ruining football. We talk about a love for the game, not a love for winning the game.

I would love brighton to be winning every week, to get promoted to the premier league, to dominate europe. But my love for Brighton goes beyond that, and surpasses results (I'm sure yours does too, I don't say this as an attempt to make myself a better fan).

Is it really wrong for the love I have for my club to outweigh the disappointment of defeat?

 

[eastlondonseagull]

Is a winning mentality essential?

I know that may be sacriligious to some, but isn't the romantic idea of supporting your local team about more than winning? About more than on the pitch success? Isn't it about a spirit of community, togetherness, entertainment, socialising etc.

We talk about how the premier league is all about money etc. isn't that why "real football fans" criitcise it, and sky for ruining football. We talk about a love for the game, not a love for winning the game.

I would love brighton to be winning every week, to bget promoted to the premier league, to dominate europe. But my love for Brighton goes beyond that, and surpasses results (I'm sure yours does too, I don't say this as an attempt to make myself a better fan).

Is it really wrong for the love I have for my club to outweigh the disappointment of defeat?

You're right there, and Portlock is one of the good guys

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[portlock seagull]

Quite, BH. Yet again, this is a Portlock thread (hello fella ) following a game he's not been to. How do you know the mentality was wrong last night, mate? I wasn't there, either, but reports I've heard have said that we were on top, that the mentality of the players is NOT wrong. I'm gutted we lost, but will pull myself together to fight another day

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ELS - not that old chesnut please. How do you know I wasn't there? Regardless, why do you have to attend every single bloody game to even comment upon the known result? That's such a ridiculous line to take. Moreover, you didn't go to Huddersfield but it didn't stop you speaking about all the positives from that match did it? And if you read my opener, I'm actually talking about the fans mentality mainly, not the players.

I admire your spirit mate, but you trot out the same rose-tinted glasses outlook after every defeat. And anyone like me that doesn't move on immediately without using the old "yes, but... (Slades a jolly bloke, it's only a meaningless trophy, we only had 10 men, 9 men, 8 men, 7 men, we're still gelling, we've got injuries, the ref was an absolute ****, Withdean's terrible.... ) line" is lambasted. You're too quick to label me as a doom-monger just because I'm not adverse to levelling some questions that's not exactly out of place.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

ELS - not that old chesnut please. How do you know I wasn't there? Regardless, why do you have to attend every single bloody game to even comment upon the known result? That's such a ridiculous line to take. Moreover, you didn't go to Huddersfield but it didn't stop you speaking about all the positives from that match did it? And if you read my opener, I'm actually talking about the fans mentality mainly, not the players.

I admire your spirit mate, but you trot out the same rose-tinted glasses outlook after every defeat. And anyone like me that doesn't move on immediately without using the old "yes, but... (Slades a jolly bloke, it's only a meaningless trophy, we only had 10 men, 9 men, 8 men, 7 men, we're still gelling, we've got injuries, the ref was an absolute ****, Withdean's terrible.... ) line" is lambasted. You're too quick to label me as a doom-monger just because I'm not adverse to levelling some questions that's not exactly out of place.

I'm too quick, on many fronts, mate

I know you were talking about the fans, but you were also commenting on the players' mentality.

I commented on Huddersfield because I listened to it on the radio and I was picking out positives about the way the team were playing. Was there in a virtual kind of way.

If you read my last post, I DO rate you as a top Albion fan who supports the club through thick and thin, no matter what the results. And I always will, mate.

But my rose-tinted will always be rose-tinted, I'm afraid. You'll just have to put up with it

 

[Sweeney Todd]

Last season, Adams kept assuring us that results were not matching performances, and that it was only a matter of time before we got the results we deserved. The desired results never came. So far, this season has been a replay of last, including the comments from the manager.