OT: trojan attack help needed!!

[adrian29uk]

As Mac usage grows, so will the viruses. The operating system is not the problem, its the people that use it unfortunately.

 

[gazingdown]

No it won't. I've posted another thread somewhere about this topic.

Certainly, people will be trying to write more trojans (which is NOT a virus) to "attack" macs (but you still have to "install" it, like the MacDefender trojan in the news, yourself so it won't be doing it in the background without your knowledge) but it's very unlikely that much will happen in the way of viruses. Believe me, people HAVE tried, rich pickings and all that.

Macs are somewhat based on Unix (which was around way before windows!) and has many/most security holes plugged, notwithstanding the more inherently secure design (sandboxing, restriction to user permissions, no-one should run as root etc.).

Part of the problem is that most people (including many IT people!) don't know the difference between a virus, trojan, worm etc.

 

[H2O]

has it disabled your security and trying to repair it with a fraud download

Yes I think it has and that is exactly what it is offering as a fix I'm not in front of the pc now but thanks for all.the replies much appreciated

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yes I think it has and that is exactly what it is offering as a fix I'm not in front of the pc now but thanks for all.the replies much appreciated

its just a scam, just make sure that you clear everything, as i said earlier after getting rid of it i still couldn't get the automatic update facility working, seemed to be a knock on effect of the infection.

 

[bhaexpress]

No it won't. I've posted another thread somewhere about this topic.

Certainly, people will be trying to write more trojans (which is NOT a virus) to "attack" macs (but you still have to "install" it, like the MacDefender trojan in the news, yourself so it won't be doing it in the background without your knowledge) but it's very unlikely that much will happen in the way of viruses. Believe me, people HAVE tried, rich pickings and all that.

Macs are somewhat based on Unix (which was around way before windows!) and has many/most security holes plugged, notwithstanding the more inherently secure design (sandboxing, restriction to user permissions, no-one should run as root etc.).

Part of the problem is that most people (including many IT people!) don't know the difference between a virus, trojan, worm etc.

Funny you say that, this months PC Pro (which writes about all types personal computers) say that it is an issue with Macs. Might also interest you to know that in fact DOS, which Windows used to be based on is also a subset of Unix. Believe me if you think that Macs don't get malware then explain your reasons to the people who got the Mac Defender attack. It's academic whether the problem is a virus or a trojan it's still malware.

Mac Defender

 

[NMH]

Some might point out that it's a McAfee application, but it's worked for me in the past;

Free Download McAfee AVERT Stinger 10.2.0.133 - McAfee Avert Stinger detects and removes specific viruses

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

the bloke must be confused by now

 

[Mortdecai]

I lent my old laptop to a mate and he complained that it was very slow, well it is 6 years old and when I finally got it back straight away I asked him why he had installed F-Secure. The reason it was so slow was because it was running F-Secure and my previously installed Norton 360. What a tit.

 

[gazingdown]

Funny you say that, this months PC Pro (which writes about all types personal computers) say that it is an issue with Macs. Might also interest you to know that in fact DOS, which Windows used to be based on is also a subset of Unix. Believe me if you think that Macs don't get malware then explain your reasons to the people who got the Mac Defender attack. It's academic whether the problem is a virus or a trojan it's still malware.

Mac Defender

Please read my thread, I did NOT say Macs do not get malware.

It's quite (relatively) easy to stop your Mac (and linux/windows for that matter) getting a trojan - just don't install unknown/dodgy software. It's somewhat harder for a user to stop themselves getting a virus (which PC users have to put up with, hence needing AV and up-to-date virus definitions etc.).

The MacDefender trojan (that you need to give it permission to install and then which doesn't actually DO anything to your mac, it asks you for your bank details as I remember) issue is somewhat steeped in irony. Those that assume (or know) Macs don't get viruses wouldn't have downloaded it in the first place (why would they, viruses are for windows). It caught out people who ignored that mantra (irrespective of whether it's true or not).

Yes, of course, from a "victims" perspective, something bad happening is something bad, not matter why/how it happened but that's no excuse for people to daft things (such as downloading dodgy software). I appreciate most people are naive/ignorant on this matter (which is fine) hence my posting about the reality of the matter. The more clued up people are, the less likely they will be vulnerable to whatever dodgy stuff is out there, no matter what OS your are running.

Getting influenza and falling over and breaking your leg. Both are bad things that can happen to your body, and both require you to take different preventative measures. You don't take anti-viral drugs to stop you breaking your leg. And making sure you don't do something daft as putting your leg under a car won't stop you getting the flu! Some viruses don't affect many species (such as most viruses don't affect mac/linux/unix) so no point in vaccinating them is there?

DOS didn't implement much of the parts of Unix that offer better security.

 

[madinthehead]

OT: trojan attack help needed!!

Question: Why do you think you have a trojan? Which trojan? I guess McAfee normally tells you what it is..

 

[gazingdown]

You'll get a trojan when YOU install it

It's a valid question though, why does the OP think he has a trojan? (as opposed to a virus or other malware).

 

[H2O]

You'll get a trojan when YOU install it

It's a valid question though, why does the OP think he has a trojan? (as opposed to a virus or other malware).

As soon as you switch the pc on it pops up with a box which names it as a Trojan and some other jargon it even shows you where it is on the C drive its called raid?? I'm far from an expert but that's what it was called0

 

[madinthehead]

If it is RAID:

Discovered:
July 15, 2002
Updated:
February 13, 2007 11:49:50 AM
Type:
Trojan Horse

After it is activated, Backdoor.Raid remains active until the computer is rebooted. It listens for commands on port 5000.

Backdoor.Raid does not install itself into the system bootup process, so rebooting the computer clears the Trojan from memory.

If not, let me know...

 

[madinthehead]

If it shows you where on the drive it is.. Let me know and also the name of the file..

 

[bhaexpress]

Please read my thread, I did NOT say Macs do not get malware.

It's quite (relatively) easy to stop your Mac (and linux/windows for that matter) getting a trojan - just don't install unknown/dodgy software. It's somewhat harder for a user to stop themselves getting a virus (which PC users have to put up with, hence needing AV and up-to-date virus definitions etc.).

The MacDefender trojan (that you need to give it permission to install and then which doesn't actually DO anything to your mac, it asks you for your bank details as I remember) issue is somewhat steeped in irony. Those that assume (or know) Macs don't get viruses wouldn't have downloaded it in the first place (why would they, viruses are for windows). It caught out people who ignored that mantra (irrespective of whether it's true or not).

Yes, of course, from a "victims" perspective, something bad happening is something bad, not matter why/how it happened but that's no excuse for people to daft things (such as downloading dodgy software). I appreciate most people are naive/ignorant on this matter (which is fine) hence my posting about the reality of the matter. The more clued up people are, the less likely they will be vulnerable to whatever dodgy stuff is out there, no matter what OS your are running.

Getting influenza and falling over and breaking your leg. Both are bad things that can happen to your body, and both require you to take different preventative measures. You don't take anti-viral drugs to stop you breaking your leg. And making sure you don't do something daft as putting your leg under a car won't stop you getting the flu! Some viruses don't affect many species (such as most viruses don't affect mac/linux/unix) so no point in vaccinating them is there?

DOS didn't implement much of the parts of Unix that offer better security.

It's the same with a PC though, use decent security software and you don't get problems. My two Windows 7 machines or their any of their Windows predecessors never got and problems from Malware, it's just a myth that Macs are superior in that respect. Frankly as long as you know what you're doing there's no real point in spending twice as much on a Mac as you would for a PC but that's a matter of choice. You imply that Macs are not prone to attacks, well neither are properly set up PCs.

 

[METALMICKY]

the bloke must be confused by now

And that's the last time he visits Bang You Later.com !

 

[H2O]

If it shows you where on the drive it is.. Let me know and also the name of the file..

Thank you will do won't get a chance till tomorrow now as out for the weekend

 

[gazingdown]

It's the same with a PC though, use decent security software and you don't get problems. My two Windows 7 machines or their any of their Windows predecessors never got and problems from Malware, it's just a myth that Macs are superior in that respect.

If that is the case, why put security software on your PC? After all, we don't need to on Macs (I use both PC & Mac BTW and have never been infected on either, however I probably WOULD have been infected on the PC if I didn't have extra security SW installed). Currently you simply do not need the extra software on a Mac/Linux machine as it doesn't really need it.

Frankly as long as you know what you're doing there's no real point in spending twice as much on a Mac as you would for a PC but that's a matter of choice.

There's plenty of justification for buying a Mac other then security, but yes I wouldn't use security as the sole justification, it's a bonus if you will. A £500 PC does not compare (screen, spec, case, design etc.) £1k Mac (although to a certain degree, it's an irrelevance for me as you can't - legitimately - run OSX on a PC, to me the OS is justification itself! ). To get something nicely built/designed that is comparable (disregarding the fact that I don't particularly want to run windows anymore - have done for *many* years) you need to spend upwards of £800 at least. Anyway, I digress, that's for another thread/debate

You imply that Macs are not prone to attacks, well neither are properly set up PCs.

No I didn't. I imply/state that Macs are not prone to viruses.
A well setup (?! ) PC is dependant on how quickly virus definitions/cures are put out once a virus is known about. For most people (using a decent AV, free or otherwise, personally MSE does a fine job as a free one) this will be fine as the definition is distributed before you get the virus. No so good if you're one of the unlucky ones that gets the virus very early on!

 

[empire]

Thank you will do won't get a chance till tomorrow now as out for the weekend

seany seany seany,you been on those dodgy websites again?,you going to portugal,i know dave is?catch up soon eh

 

[H2O]

seany seany seany,you been on those dodgy websites again?,you going to portugal,i know dave is?catch up soon eh

It's the old man's pc mate he was only on eBay! Not doing Portugal saving for new York in October will catch up soon. I just had a bbq shack the best take away ever look it up!