[Albion] One for the older NSCers, 3 points for a win.

[timbha]

You asking someone else to do the leg work for you ?

Rumbled. No takers yet

 

[superseagull1994]

Good grief that makes me feel old. There must be an entire generation that never knew a win was 2 points!

Right here

 

[Eeyore]

Rumbled. No takers yet

Looks like we'd be 10th

 

[timbha]

Looks like we'd be 10th

Oh! So I’m clutching at straws

Thanks

 

[amexer]

Now one win and wonmore sides now go for the win loss is better than two draws have no doubt

 

[Guy Fawkes]

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Where would we be placed this season if it was still 2 points for a win?

Below is the current table and at the end i've shown the changes that using 2 points for a win would make (some would only move position due to goal difference) so yes, we'd be in tenth

Team

MP

W

D

L

PTS

GF

GA

GD

Wins (2pts)

Draws

Revised Total

Position changes

Liverpool

20​

14​

5​

1​

47​

48​

20​

28​

28​

5​

33​

0

Nottingham

21​

12​

5​

4​

41​

30​

20​

10​

24​

5​

29​

-1

Arsenal

20​

11​

7​

2​

40​

39​

18​

21​

22​

7​

29​

+1

Chelsea

21​

10​

7​

4​

37​

41​

26​

15​

20​

7​

27​

0

Newcastle

20​

10​

5​

5​

35​

34​

22​

12​

20​

5​

25​

0

Man City

21​

10​

5​

6​

35​

38​

29​

9​

20​

5​

25​

0

Bournemouth

21​

9​

7​

5​

34​

32​

25​

7​

18​

7​

25​

0

Aston Villa

20​

9​

5​

6​

32​

30​

32​

-2​

18​

5​

23​

-1

Fulham

21​

7​

9​

5​

30​

32​

30​

2​

14​

9​

23​

+1

Brentford

21​

8​

4​

9​

28​

40​

37​

3​

16​

4​

20​

-1

Brighton

20​

6​

10​

4​

28​

30​

29​

1​

12​

10​

22​

+1

West Ham

21​

7​

5​

9​

26​

27​

41​

-14​

14​

5​

19​

0

Tottenham

20​

7​

3​

10​

24​

42​

30​

12​

14​

3​

17​

0

Man Utd

20​

6​

5​

9​

23​

23​

28​

-5​

12​

5​

17​

0

Crystal Palace

20​

4​

9​

7​

21​

21​

28​

-7​

8​

9​

17​

0

Everton

19​

3​

8​

8​

17​

15​

25​

-10​

6​

8​

14​

0

Wolverhampton

20​

4​

4​

12​

16​

31​

45​

-14​

8​

4​

12​

-1

Ipswich

20​

3​

7​

10​

16​

20​

35​

-15​

6​

7​

13​

+1

Leicester

20​

3​

5​

12​

14​

23​

44​

-21​

6​

5​

11​

0

Southampton

20​

1​

3​

16​

6​

12​

44​

-32​

2​

3​

5​

0

 

[timbha]

Thanks GF. Not a lot of difference then.

 

[Rdodge30]

One of the first personal struggles I had with the concept of change. At the time I didn’t care whether it made games better or not, you don’t just change things because it’s not working for you?? Plenty of teams managed to win the league with 2 points for a win if I remember!

 

[Justice]

They should have made it that neither team got a point if it was a 0-0

Bummer if you need a point for automatic or survival though.

 

[Rdodge30]

There aren’t many changes to the game that have necessarily been needed really…. Keepers not picking the ball up is one good one

Once we have a majority of American club owners in the league no doubt we will end up with 5 points for a win, bigger goals and no offside

 

[7dialssouthpaw]

one for spods: a study into potential for collusion due to 3 points for a win:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6315358/

I found into this when we were in our run of getting ripped off by VAR decisions, because I got to wondering if teams can theoretically, tacitly or conveniently agree to share six points with other teams, rather than two.

As the authors note, it's not a zero-sum game.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Albion’s last 2pts for a win was the victory against Leeds United at the Goldstone in May 1981, which guaranteed top flight survival.

Long time ago, 44 years , so the old memory banks are a bit dusty, but did the change to 3pts for a win in August 1981 make the games more open and more exciting, or at least ostensibly the winnable ones?

Psychologically, they did but in reality it doesn’t really feel that way.

The back pass rule is probably more interesting, as you have goalkeepers that aren’t necessarily technically good goalkeepers (IMO), but excellent with their feet.

 

[Han Solo]

They should have made it that neither team got a point if it was a 0-0

No thanks. Don't know how many tournaments Sweden would have failed to qualify for...

Your question made me do a bit of research on this and interestingly, the average goals per game in the pre 3pts for a win era, was usually around 2.6 to 2.7 goals per game. After 3pts for a win was introduced, the average surprisingly stayed around this same ratio in most seasons and is still fairly accurate right up to today (apart from this season, where the law of adding 'proper' amounts of extra time for stoppages has catapulted the average to approx 3.2 goals per game !!!!)

I think while it didn't spark an increase in goals I think it stopped a future decrease, just like the back-pass rule. The biggest improvement in football over the last ~50 years is in defence where tactical progress has the biggest benefit. With the level of sports science and understanding how to get every slight advantage, the game would be unwatchable today if the back-pass rule was still around. And I think the point system would have seen similar abuse with teams going very defensive especially in away games.

While the biggest improvements in the last 50 years are defensive, the attacking play has seen more development in the last ten years. There's been a recent increase in goal averages and I think the increase would be even bigger if VAR wasn't holding it back.

 

[AZ Gull]

Now one win and wonmore sides now go for the win loss is better than two draws have no doubt

Is this just a random collection of words?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Wonder how the football world would change if 2 points were awarded for a score draw? Seems the logical next step

 

[Brovion]

Wonder how the football world would change if 2 points were awarded for a score draw? Seems the logical next step

Would be too open to abuse. Teams could collude to score one goal each. (Brighton v Rochdale in 1972(?)springs to mind. If not collusion then it was an unspoken pact).

You can just see the new rules they'd bring in to try and stop that. VAR would start ruling out goals on the grounds that the defenders "didn't try hard enough to stop it".

 

[dsr-burnley]

I think it did to an extent. In the 'Old Days' you'd have teams like Jack Charlton's Middlesborough or Bolton under Ian Greaves who would just grind out 0-0 draws. I think it was Ian Greaves who, when quizzed about his sides somewhat boring approach, replied "If fans want entertainment they can go to the circus". A Middlesborough fan of my acquaintance at the time said if you saw Middlesborough score a goal then you didn't go for another four games as you weren't going to see another.

At least when three points came in there was the realisation that winning one and losing one was now better than grinding out two draws.

Could you please explain that to Scott Parker?