el punal
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I’m surprised the Palace mob haven’t blamed the pristine Amex pitch for their woes.
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[Football] On Hodgson and Olise
- Thread starter Lady Whistledown
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I bet Solly wishes he played for palace.
Gets a poorly knee playing for the Albion and we amputate both his legs 'just in case'.
Gets a poorly knee playing for the Albion and we amputate both his legs 'just in case'.
I can't imagine any manager would risk using a player- especially at 3-0 down with the game all but written-off- unless the medical team told them they were OK to play and the player had indicated they were fine to do so.
Palace fans would've no doubt been crying that Hodgson didn't bring him on at half time if he hadn't.
Palace fans would've no doubt been crying that Hodgson didn't bring him on at half time if he hadn't.
Worried Man Blues
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Would be dreadful if this was the catalyst to sending them down, oops
Trust their medical expertise. Were they saying that he couldn’t aggravate the injury further by only play 50mins. ? It’s too vague that from medical professionals.
ROSM
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Wonder if the palace medical team all used to do work experience with st john ambulance and are still smarting over not getting paid when they last went into administration (or was it the time before)?
Revenge is a dish best served cold. A bit like the water that floods the holmesdale lower
Revenge is a dish best served cold. A bit like the water that floods the holmesdale lower
Very much this.
Sure we all knew how this would end because that's the prism we're looking through.
3-1 and playing slightly not worse football, the palace fans would be going mentals if Olise didn't make an appearance.
Roy's gets it either way while they are right irrespective of the outcome.
LamieRobertson
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With you (as Rio F would say) 1 billion per cent
We should also give Pascal a mention here for kicking the ball out of play when he didn’t need to
Besides, Estupinan did exactly the same earlier this season didn't he?
TWOCHOICEStom
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Players always overestimate their ability to play. The medical team do the opposite.
It's not like Hodgson doesn't understand anything about injuries is it? He needs to make decisions based on what his team tells him. They obviously told him he wasn't fit enough to play the whole game. And at 3-0 he should have used his brain to not that that risk despite what the medical team have said.
It's not like Hodgson doesn't understand anything about injuries is it? He needs to make decisions based on what his team tells him. They obviously told him he wasn't fit enough to play the whole game. And at 3-0 he should have used his brain to not that that risk despite what the medical team have said.
- Jul 7, 2003
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On reflection, I suppose it should be no surprise that poor Olise has troublesome hammys, given that he has to carry ten other blokes for ninety minutes every week.
- Jul 7, 2003
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Well. You say that. It's well known that teams document far fewer injuries when they're playing well and on form. In that scenario, players are desperate to keep their place, so they play through niggles, and mentally they're in the right place to make correct decisions on the pitch (ie less likely to make a half arsed challenge).
When the team is losing, the opposite happens, and players often decide, even subconsciously, that an injury isn't worth the risk. They're happy to let somebody else have a go, avoid the wrath of the fans etc, and are more likely to be in a scenario if they do play where they make a desperate, ill-considered challenge that might result in a further injury.
Plenty of footballer autobiographies have made reference to exactly this.
Pervis Estupinan, who was returning from a muscular problem, could also only manage just over 10 minutes after his reintroduction as a substitute before being withdrawn, and with Tariq Lamptey also out it has left De Zerbi short of options.
Yeah, whatever happened to the old 'magic sponge'? In the old days if a player went down injured the 'trainer' went on with a sponge, and, voila! Broken leg fixed.
3-0 is not game over, no matter how bad a team was in the first half. Not when the team in the lead conceded 3 in one half earlier that week. Especially with added time now stretching to as much as 10mins in some games.
They pulled one back. They came close to pulling back a second before we got our 4th. Had that gone in and we were at 3-2 with effectively 10mins to play nerves settle in, Palace get momentum and who knows what happens.
We're only confidently proclaiming it game over because that didn't happen. But it could have, and the chances of it happen are improved if they have their better players on.
What would the fans' reaction be if Olise stays on the bench and Hogson admits he didn't bother making any changes because he felt the game was lost and he was just seeing out the last 45 until the final whistle?
They pulled one back. They came close to pulling back a second before we got our 4th. Had that gone in and we were at 3-2 with effectively 10mins to play nerves settle in, Palace get momentum and who knows what happens.
We're only confidently proclaiming it game over because that didn't happen. But it could have, and the chances of it happen are improved if they have their better players on.
What would the fans' reaction be if Olise stays on the bench and Hogson admits he didn't bother making any changes because he felt the game was lost and he was just seeing out the last 45 until the final whistle?
Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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I was going to say the same who knows what happens to the guys career from here on.
It was noticeable to me that when he came on he and Tariq were quit friendly to each other ,possibly both having knowledge about career threatening injuries.
Amusing for us but could happen to any player. I think we're more cautious than most (the Estupinian example doesn't really work as the second injury was a different one as I understand it) but if Ansu had tweaked his quad when he came on we'd be having a similar inquest.
Medical team must have given the green light, but a fair bit of responsibility rests with the player. If he felt anything at all, then a long, hard sprint soon after coming on (didn't see him doing a full warm up at HT either but might have missed it) was very high risk and he should have known that........
Medical team must have given the green light, but a fair bit of responsibility rests with the player. If he felt anything at all, then a long, hard sprint soon after coming on (didn't see him doing a full warm up at HT either but might have missed it) was very high risk and he should have known that........
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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I agree with that - we know how nevry we were against Spurs....
However, anyone who watched Oilse warm up at HT on Saturday, as I did, couldn't be shocked that he didn't last long.
He did a bit of jogging, a few stretches and ONE single 3/4 pace sprint of about 20 yards.
He clearly wasn't fit - not even to be on the bench.
The player would know that - to blame Roy on this one is probably harsh.
My son and I watched him warm up at halftime.
The strangest warm up ever, no sprints over about 4 yards, a bit of stretching, no turning, it really looked as if him and the warm up coach where nowhere near confident his hammys would hold up.
It was no surprise to us that he pulled up during his first serious sprint.
The strangest warm up ever, no sprints over about 4 yards, a bit of stretching, no turning, it really looked as if him and the warm up coach where nowhere near confident his hammys would hold up.
It was no surprise to us that he pulled up during his first serious sprint.