Old Etonians' Annual Gaudy

[Tubby Mondays]

I'm not asserting anything, just trying to ascertain what people expect the government to do and how. People are quick to criticise the government but I can't help thinking that they have misunderstood what governments role is, and their capabilities are. It is only the private sector that can create the jobs that will pull this country out of this economic mess, the government needs to promote this and provide the right environment.

But we have been told in this thread - as a fact no less - that this government has created 1,000,000 jobs in the private sector.

What we have also been told is that 91% of the housing benefit caseload is in employment. Which would seem to suggest that not the 'right' type of jobs are being created i.e full time.

We have also learnt on this thread that the 'right environment' for creating jobs is apparently making it easier to sack people from them.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

As I said, why should they not inform me whethershe is still receiving housing benefit if she is renting my house? Reasonable question to ask if I am no longer getting paid rent. No need fo rthem to tell me the ins and outs of her personal circumstances, simply tell me Yes she is receiving housing benefit or No she isnt.
Council Tax and Overdraft are completely different, nothing to do with the rental payment. I was informed she was receiving housing benefit, which is specifically to pay the rent, and I was receiving the rent. Then the rent stopped. Why should they withhold the information as to whether the housing benefit has stopped?

I used Council Tax and Overdraft as examples as they are the same in that they involve your personal information which you would, quite rightly, not want sharing with another party for whatever reason.

Your tenant also has the right for her personal information not to be shared with another party.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

No government creates private sector jobs. The private sector does.

But it was claimed in this thread that the government has created 1,000,000 jobs in the private sector.

Which statement is correct?

 

[User removed 4]

But we have been told in this thread - as a fact no less - that this government has created 1,000,000 jobs in the private sector.

What we have also been told is that 91% of the housing benefit caseload is in employment. Which would seem to suggest that not the 'right' type of jobs are being created i.e full time.

We have also learnt on this thread that the 'right environment' for creating jobs is apparently making it easier to sack people from them.

What we have also learnt in this thread is that you, like me , cant use multi-quote!

 

[Ernest]

When I read the facts about who is claiming housing benefit there can be only one conclusion, that the rents are too high or wages too low. No one in full time employment should need to claim any kind of housing benefits as their wage should be suffice, that it is not sums it up.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

What we have also learnt in this thread is that you, like me , cant use multi-quote!

I think thats the nicest thing you have ever said to me on here!

Obviously its 100% correct as well!

 

[User removed 4]

I think thats the nicest thing you have ever said to me on here!

Obviously its 100% correct as well!

 

[Titanic]

No government creates private sector jobs. The private sector does.

Indeed. Government can only help create the environment in which it can happen.

IMHO the more interesting bit of the Cameron comment, considering the golden economic legacy, 3G license sales, world-wide economic growth, sales of gold assets etc... was "more in TWO years than Labour managed in TEN years".

 

[Simster]

Indeed. Government can only help create the environment in which it can happen.

IMHO the more interesting bit of the Cameron comment, considering the golden economic legacy, 3G license sales, world-wide economic growth, sales of gold assets etc... was "more in TWO years than Labour managed in TEN years".

Yes but fewer jobs needed to be created under Labour, because levels of unemployment were lower under Labour than it is under the Conservatives. As always.

And I find it amusing that you talk about the "golden economic legacy" that Labour apparently enjoyed. I remember what happened under Thatcher when North Sea Oil was discovered. All that free money frittered away to pay for benefits for the record numbers of unemployed people. At least some of the money was being spent wisely under Blair - schools were MILES better for my kids than under Thatcher when I was a kid!

 

[BLOCK F]

When I read the facts about who is claiming housing benefit there can be only one conclusion, that the rents are too high or wages too low. No one in full time employment should need to claim any kind of housing benefits as their wage should be suffice, that it is not sums it up.

Rents are a reflection of house prices,which are still grossly overvalued on the basis of average price to average wages.The scandal of house prices in this country has, and continues to cause a lot of grief for a lot of people.House prices are being kept higher than they should be 'cos the Government and banks would be in deep shit if they dropped too fast.
Nice idea that no-one in full time employment should need to claim any kind of housing benefit,but see my view above.
I look forward to the time when the younger generation can buy a home(as opposed to an investment/cash cow) without saddling themselves with ludicrous amounts of debt.It will happen,but more slowly than I would like.

 

[Dandyman]

No government creates private sector jobs. The private sector does.

Up to a point. Government spending can create a stimulus for private industry. If for example the government decided to support a programme of Council house building, more small community schools and infrastructure projects then that would provide commercial opportunities and employment for private industry.

 

[Don Quixote]

If the government doesn't do anything why is everyone blaming Gordon Brown for the previous recession?

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Up to a point. Government spending can create a stimulus for private industry. If for example the government decided to support a programme of Council house building, more small community schools and infrastructure projects then that would provide commercial opportunities and employment for private industry.

Very true.

A new Hospital, or school, would mean local suppliers/contractors getting work.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Yes but fewer jobs needed to be created under Labour, because levels of unemployment were lower under Labour than it is under the Conservatives. As always.

Unemployment in May 2010 just before the Election was about 8 percent.

the same as now.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

According to a section in today's Times, 53% of households receive more benefits than they pay in taxation.

 

[Dandyman]

According to a section in today's Times, 53% of households receive more benefits than they pay in taxation.

Surely everyone receives more income (including rent, dividends, etc) than they pay in tax ?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Surely everyone receives more income (including rent, dividends, etc) than they pay in tax ?

Of course, it shows the potential catastrophe of cutting benefits across the board when so many households, seemingly, rely on them. Also, the enormity of the challenge to sift through who dearly need such levels of them and who does not.

 

[Dandyman]

Of course, it shows the potential catastrophe of cutting benefits across the board when so many households, seemingly, rely on them. Also, the enormity of the challenge to sift through who dearly need such levels of them and who does not.

Quite agree.

 

[drew]

Up to a point. Government spending can create a stimulus for private industry. If for example the government decided to support a programme of Council house building, more small community schools and infrastructure projects then that would provide commercial opportunities and employment for private industry.

Excellent point. Now go away and work out how many of these 1,000,000 jobs were created as a result of government led improvements to infrastructure. Seem to recall that one of the first things they did was cancel the school building project which has yet to be reactivated?

With regard to these 1,000,000 jobs, has anyone done any analysis of exactly what they are, ie how many are full time and how many part time. What wage brackets do they fall into? How many are manual or skilled, how many are service industry etc etc. Someone somewhere must have worked it out?

 

[Dandyman]

Excellent point. Now go away and work out how many of these 1,000,000 jobs were created as a result of government led improvements to infrastructure. Seem to recall that one of the first things they did was cancel the school building project which has yet to be reactivated?

With regard to these 1,000,000 jobs, has anyone done any analysis of exactly what they are, ie how many are full time and how many part time. What wage brackets do they fall into? How many are manual or skilled, how many are service industry etc etc. Someone somewhere must have worked it out?

There is some stuff here: Labour Market Statistics, September 2012

In general of course, Tories of Cameron's ilk favour unemployment as a method of intimidating working people, lowering wages and increasing profits for their pals.