[Politics] Oh oh jezzas gone and done it

[GT49er]

I actually find the current Labour party to be the most manipulative, opportunistic, conceited, sanctimonious, self righteous, spin driven political party I think I have ever seen.

They've got their act together at last, then?

 

[Weststander]

He did, to much ridicule from the Tory benches, he tried it for a year or so and the tory boys just jeered hearing about nurses using Food Banks, they lapped it up. So now he has tried a slow, clinical and surgical approach to dismantling the Government's position. You seem to overlook the apparently Christian and benevolent Theresa May's replies which often amount to a " Nuremberg " style screeching condemnation of anyone foolish enough to stand up for the lower classes.

Slow, clinical, surgical, it is not. Yelling, always with a crescendo as if in front of a Momentum hate mob. It may warm you, but not the majority of voters.

 

[Weststander]

I think anyone expecting a meltdown in his support among his cultists will be sadly disappointed. However, there is a distinct sense that his grip on Labour power is incrementally draining away. This upcoming Peterborough by-election should be interesting.

He’ll keep the 100,000’s of new members on board - the angry entitled students, vandals, Arafat scarf wearers and lifelong marxists. And so retain leadership for as long as he cares.

Which plays very neatly into the hands of Sturgeon/Robertson, next Tory leader and Cable.

 

[vegster]

Slow, clinical, surgical, it is not. Yelling, always with a crescendo as if in front of a Momentum hate mob. It may warm you, but not the majority of voters.

It does not " Warm Me " but neither does the harridan screeching opposite who has realised that the only way to try to appease the tory grandee's is to ridicule any attempt to draw attention to people suffering due to Tory austerity. I think that's the thing always overlooked, "Labour will ruin this that and whatever and bankrupt the country etc etc. " …. A good screech at Corbyn for wearing a scruffy coat or being at a peace rally always goes down well with the Tory elite. Also handily deflects from the fact that after 10 years of TORY austerity this country is a mess.

 

[Weststander]

It does not " Warm Me " but neither does the harridan screeching opposite who has realised that the only way to try to appease the tory grandee's is to ridicule any attempt to draw attention to people suffering due to Tory austerity. I think that's the thing always overlooked, "Labour will ruin this that and whatever and bankrupt the country etc etc. " …. A good screech at Corbyn for wearing a scruffy coat or being at a peace rally always goes down well with the Tory elite. Also handily deflects from the fact that after 10 years of TORY austerity this country is a mess.

Agree that time for a change of government (a rarity on NSC political threads, I don’t idly stick to one party as part of a jealousy class war or because my Dad voted one way or another).

JC’s hard left background and support for enemies of our country (IRA murderers) mean that he won’t lead a Labour government with an overall majority.

Even his most devoted of followers on NSC must shirley admit that a Starmer type leader could deliver that, and bring moderate/consensus politics to the UK?

 

[Me and my Monkey]

As a woman myself, in my experience men who say "stupid woman" as an insult generally mean it in a mysoginistic way, i.e. not in a "you're a woman who I think is stupid" way but more in a "you're a woman and therefore stupid" way. A bit like "dirty paki" or "screaming queer". Who knows if JC said "stupid woman", but as he is, in my opinion, a man who is stupid, and a complete fraud, i would not be in the least bit surprised if he did.

 

[Bozza]

Regardless of whether he said "stupid woman" or "stupid people", his inability to control himself when under a bit of pressure surely rules him out as future PM material.

Hats off to [MENTION=1416]Ernest[/MENTION] for calling it so early though.

I wouldn't vote for Corbyn in any further leadership election, there needs to be a leader who has authority and can actually lead. The experiment has failed at great costs to people's lives

 

[vegster]

Agree that time for a change of government (a rarity on NSC political threads, I don’t idly stick to one party as part of a jealousy class war or because my Dad voted one way or another).

JC’s hard left background and support for enemies of our country (IRA murderers) mean that he won’t lead a Labour government with an overall majority.

Even his most devoted of followers on NSC must shirley admit that a Starmer type leader could deliver that, and bring moderate/consensus politics to the UK?

I think he was anti violence but realised that at some point we had to talk to people like that despite it being hard to stomach. remember when Thatcher stood up and said " No surrender to terrorism " she was secretly talking through channels to the people she said she would never deal with. Ultimately you never really beat terrorists, you either give them a degree of what they want or society slowly moves on and eventually they become irrelevant .

Starmer is often held up as the "Acceptable Face " of the Trotskyite Labour terrorist Communist appeasing party but no doubt would either be a, dragged down in to the usual politics or something would be " dug up " from his past to discredit him, as is always the case whenever it looks like someone is going to stand up for the little guy.

 

[Weststander]

I think he was anti violence but realised that at some point we had to talk to people like that despite it being hard to stomach. remember when Thatcher stood up and said " No surrender to terrorism " she was secretly talking through channels to the people she said she would never deal with. Ultimately you never really beat terrorists, you either give them a degree of what they want or society slowly moves on and eventually they become irrelevant .

Starmer is often held up as the "Acceptable Face " of the Trotskyite Labour terrorist Communist appeasing party but no doubt would either be a, dragged down in to the usual politics or something would be " dug up " from his past to discredit him, as is always the case whenever it looks like someone is going to stand up for the little guy.

Blair wasn’t so why would Starmer be?

Blair’s enemies were Short, Corbyn, McDonnell, McCluskey, Crow, Skinner, etc etc. Hatred within.

Where do you sit with that huge schism, which is still there today?

 

[melias shoes]

It's pretty clear he didn't say 'stupid woman'.

The first report decides, arbitrarily, that he said 'stupid woman', and the pitiful narrative runs from there. By all means, criticise his policies if you wish, but to lie about him says so much about the gullible people being easily being led by a salacious media. As many on here have been.

Oh He said it alright. That coming from the leader of the party that supposedly advocates equal rights. Yeah right! He's a nasty piece of work and for the life of me I can't work out why he's pretending to not want to leave the EU. Let's face it everyone knows he wants out and always has.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Even David Blunkett could see that Jeremy Corbyn called Theresa May a stupid woman....

 

[Weststander]

Oh He said it alright. That coming from the leader of the party that supposedly advocates equal rights. Yeah right! He's a nasty piece of work and for the life of me I can't work out why he's pretending to not want to leave the EU. Let's face it everyone knows he wants out and always has.

ITV news had an expert lip reader who stated that it was clearly stupid woman.

How the hell would a NSCer think they know different

 

[BN9 BHA]

It's pretty clear he didn't say 'stupid woman'.

The first report decides, arbitrarily, that he said 'stupid woman', and the pitiful narrative runs from there. By all means, criticise his policies if you wish, but to lie about him says so much about the gullible people being easily being led by a salacious media. As many on here have been.

ITV news had an expert lip reader who stated that it was clearly stupid woman.

How the hell would a NSCer think they know different

 

[Weststander]

Supporter knows more than independent expert shocker.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Supporter knows more than independent expert shocker.

I see he hasn't made any further comment.......

 

[maltaseagull]

It's pretty clear he didn't say 'stupid woman'.

The first report decides, arbitrarily, that he said 'stupid woman', and the pitiful narrative runs from there. By all means, criticise his policies if you wish, but to lie about him says so much about the gullible people being easily being led by a salacious media. As many on here have been.

Lip reader on the news doesn't agree with you. Perhaps she is as biased as you?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Corrected for you your welcome

No, not corrected you plum. Try and post your own opinion rather than mess with those that that have their own.

 

[Jaxie]

He obviously says stupid people about the jeering gang behind her, not stupid woman.

When Theresa May and the Mainstream right wing media need to distract the masses from the shambles she is busy creating, the first thing they do is screech rubbish about Corbyn.

If the conservatives are that concerned about sexism, why not pull up May for grovelling to leaders in Saudi Arabia to sell them weapons. Possibly one of the most sexist places on Earth!

Theresa May is completely reckless with all of our futures, Corbyn is holding her to account over that, and he's the one taking all the derision. It's absurd.

 

[The Clamp]

He called May a " stupid woman"

She is. He should have spoken up. But he's denied it so yet again he reinforces his position as that of a coward and a bootless, wet lettuce.

 

[portslade seagull]

I think he was anti violence but realised that at some point we had to talk to people like that despite it being hard to stomach. remember when Thatcher stood up and said " No surrender to terrorism " she was secretly talking through channels to the people she said she would never deal with. Ultimately you never really beat terrorists, you either give them a degree of what they want or society slowly moves on and eventually they become irrelevant .

Starmer is often held up as the "Acceptable Face " of the Trotskyite Labour terrorist Communist appeasing party but no doubt would either be a, dragged down in to the usual politics or something would be " dug up " from his past to discredit him, as is always the case whenever it looks like someone is going to stand up for the little guy.

Maybe Hilary Benn would be a good choice. Seems level headed sadly momentum hate him