[Politics] Official Match Day Thread - The Debate, 7PM

[Wozza]

A yet she is still has twice the personality of snoring boring Smarmer.

After three years of entertainment from Bozo the clown, I'm very much in the mood for a 'boring' but highly competent PM.

Might have to wait a few more years, mind.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Looks like The Weakest Link. View attachment 149951

Should be done like this though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VNPBYqm1HM

 

[jcdenton08]

Is it Christian Guru Murphy again?

Neither one thing nor another

Born 1 of 4 children to a mother who was a nurse and a father who worked as a toolmaker, both were Labour Party supporters, hence he was named after the Labour Parties first Parliamentary leader Keir Hardie, by hard work the young Keir and his teachers at state schools, he studied hard and was awarded for his efforts for passing the 11 plus examination, a place at Reigate grammar school which at the time he joined was a voluntary aided selective grammar school which during his time attending converted their status in 1976 to a fee paying public establishment of which he was exempt from paying due to already being a student there. By his efforts and qualifications he acquired he went on to study law at Leeds university gaining a first class Bachelor of laws degree becoming the first member of his family to Graduate. He then went on to undertake a post graduate course at Oxford university graduating again with a Bachelor of civil law degree in 1986 a year later he became a Barrister and through continuing hard work eventually became the Director of public prosecutions for which after heading the CPS before entering Politics, he was Knighted for his service to the country for his work in 2014 and elevated to the Privy council in 2017. So unlike your silver spoon fed heroes he earned and deserved his title and status as SIR KEIR STARMER.

Multi-millionaire, member of the Trilateral Commission…

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A Labour version of Maggie Thatcher in his rise then…….

But without her incipient cuntishness.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Multi-millionaire, member of the Trilateral Commission…

Is that a bit like the Shadow Proclamation?

If so, I'm IN!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b72ZCsztdyk

M'ho!

 

[Icy Gull]

But without her incipient cuntishness.

Time will tell

 

[Guinness Boy]

Multi-millionaire, member of the Trilateral Commission…

Pretty good for an ordinary lad with Labour parents then, eh?

Done well for himself and now wants to give back pretty much covers the first part. As for the second, I'm not sure what you find sinister about an organisation that seeks to foster closer co-operations between culturally diverse regions who nearly wiped out the earth in 1945? Unless you're a Chomsky disciple (he's been debunked on this) or a tinfoil hatter?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Time will tell

Which is, coincidentally, the same reply to the assertion that Brighton will win the EPL next season.

I think we both know the answer to both. No matter how hard we might wish for a particular outcome......

As William Whitelaw might have said to Starmer, after a twit compared him to Thatcher:

"Son, I knew Margaret Thatcher. I worked with her. I saw her ruin colleagues she deemed 'not one of us'. I saw her pursue vindictiveness dressed up as policy. I saw her destroy whole communities without batting an eyelid. Starmer, son, you ain't no Margaret Thatcher"

Thank ****!

 

[lawros left foot]

Peston definitely not impressed.


That was quite a debate.
I’ve never seen senior Tory ministers and MPs lay into each other so publicly and so openly, so much blue-on-blue arguing.
Mr Sunak accused Ms Truss and Ms Mordaunt of being socialists - not a compliment in the Tory lexicon - for being reckless with the public finances.

Beware of Tory leadership candidates promising tax cuts

Trust, tax and Brexit: Candidates clash in ITV leadership debate


Ms Truss attacked Mr Sunak for raising taxes to record levels.
Ms Badenoch called for unity while attacking more or less everyone for everything.
Ms Mordaunt seethed at what she saw as the cheap personal attacks she’s faced in recent days, especially over the trans debate and the definition of being a woman.
And Tom Tugendhat attacked everyone else for being tainted as current or recent members of Boris Johnson’s government.

Given that every candidate said they wouldn’t have Mr Johnson in their cabinet, maybe Ms Tugendhat had a point.

MPs hit out at Lord Frost's attempts to shore up backing for Liz Truss as PM


But, truthfully, Mr Tugendhat looked like the trailing candidate the first two rounds of the leadership contest have showed him to be.
He’s performed eloquently in the contest. But tonight he looked deflated - and presumably he will be ejected from the contest in tomorrow’s heat.
Mr Sunak looked the leader in the contest he has been so far, since the lion’s share of the candidates’ criticisms were directed at him, and he replied - or deflected - with some style.
I would imagine he’ll consolidate his lead tomorrow.
I simply can’t judge how the Brexiter right of the Tory party will rate the relative performances of Ms Mordaunt, Ms Truss and Ms Badenoch.


Host Julie Etchingham with the five candidates.

They all had good and bad moments - though the candidate most forensic in challenging Mr Sunak was Ms Badenoch.
If I am right that Mr Sunak is now more-or-less guaranteed to be in the final two - the duo from whom Tory members choose our next PM - then the decision for the anyone-but-Rishi brigade is who’s best placed to stop him.
And I am going to break the habit of a lifetime by saying I am not sure who Tory MPs will ultimately say that is.
What I do know is this debate - and this contest - is little short of a disaster for the Tory party, because the Labour Party will record and repeat every single attack made by these candidates on each other and on the actions of their government.
One of them will win the contest and become the PM. But the Tory party looks set to lose.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Pretty good for an ordinary lad with Labour parents then, eh?

Done well for himself and now wants to give back pretty much covers the first part. As for the second, I'm not sure what you find sinister about an organisation that seeks to foster closer co-operations between culturally diverse regions who nearly wiped out the earth in 1945? Unless you're a Chomsky disciple (he's been debunked on this) or a tinfoil hatter?

Don't start me on Chomsky.

Oh, alright then. LSD meets a polytechnic education and a sense of entitlement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUIG2Gcq_E8

 

[golddene]

Multi-millionaire, member of the Trilateral Commission…

Yes hard work does pay, what other stick are you going to beat him with ! An honest politician, a empathetic man, a genuinely nice guy, a man who has honestly earned his status from very humble beginnings, faithful to his wife and children, etc etc give me 100 Kier Starmers over your man and that group of five nonentities who they are parading before us all. I have very little faith in the English electorate not to be sucked in again and impose further carnage on our country in the name of Conservatism and your responses just reaffirm this view.

 

[maltaseagull]

I much enjoyed John Craces’ withering assessment following Friday’s debate:

“Time bends and stalls when you’re in the parallel universe of a Liz Truss speech. She leaves audiences begging for a lethal injection.”

Would be lovely for some of the candidates to explain how we improve Education, the NHS and transport while cutting taxes ?

Which pretty much sums up far too many voters.
They want world class health,education, security and social services for the lowest rate of tax.
Who is supposed to pay for it?

 

[Iggle Piggle]

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[GrizzlingGammon]

It could be worse....

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Unfortunately, dicks and c*nts are already on show

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Certain men always get their way in the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3LXJSyEa_g

 

[Bob!]

Head to heads from the Conservative members
https://conservativehome.com/2022/0...-sunak-third-mordaunt-fourth-tugendhat-fifth/

With the final two likely to be Sunak vs Truss or Mordaunt.
They currently have Sunak to win v Mordaunt
and Truss to win v Sunak

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Content is eternal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8jfn8k8vpM

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Head to heads from the Conservative members
https://conservativehome.com/2022/0...-sunak-third-mordaunt-fourth-tugendhat-fifth/

With the final two likely to be Sunak vs Truss or Mordaunt.
They currently have Sunak to win v Mordaunt
and Truss to win v Sunak

They will make this the ultimate test:

 

[jcdenton08]

Yes hard work does pay, what other stick are you going to beat him with ! An honest politician, a empathetic man, a genuinely nice guy, a man who has honestly earned his status from very humble beginnings, faithful to his wife and children, etc etc give me 100 Kier Starmers over your man and that group of five nonentities who they are parading before us all. I have very little faith in the English electorate not to be sucked in again and impose further carnage on our country in the name of Conservatism and your responses just reaffirm this view.

I don’t know who you think my man is, but you seem to be getting very worked up.

 

[vegster]

<sigh> It puts more money in my pocket, so I spend more, and stimulate the economy, which generates more wealth, so we all get richer.

That's my case, when I petition to not pay any tax, later this year.






What?

It does not work though, if we spend more it just generates more untaxable profits for offshore based companies. There is no " Trickle Down " if these companies make more money, just the exec's and the shareholder's who profit ...and Rishi has promised to get rid of EU " red tape " to set us " free" ...ie, to scrap working conditions legislation in order to make more money.. .that does not trickle down ..and so it continues...Johnson was trying to puff a high skilled/high wage economy but the moment the RMT ask for a decent pay rise they are told to tighten their belts !