[Albion] Odsonne Édouard

[chaileyjem]

Some other football insider stories this summer
Arsenal “in advanced talks” to sign Maty Ryan on a permanent transfer, Brighton have “joined race” to sign Matt Grimes, Derby/Rooney are “interested” in signing Shane Duffy, and that Potters position at club is “far from secure” and that they may “join pursuit” for Eddie Howe.

PS : they did tip Ben White to Arsenal !

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

and that Potters position at club is “far from secure” and that they may “join pursuit” for Eddie Howe.

 

[Audax]

1. There are still plenty of idiots who don’t see the need for a striker signing. Swanny and co.

Is there really a need to be so rude? Especially naming one of the people you think is an "idiot"? This isn't the first time I've seen you doing this.

Honestly: it's perfectly acceptable for others to hold different opinions from yours. That doesn't make them idiots. Show a little respect and you might get some back in future.

 

[Sheebo]

Is there really a need to be so rude? Especially naming one of the people you think is an "idiot"? This isn't the first time I've seen you doing this.

Honestly: it's perfectly acceptable for others to hold different opinions from yours. That doesn't make them idiots. Show a little respect and you might get some back in future.

Shut up you idiot.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I don’t disagree with any of that.

Some counters:
1. There are still plenty of idiots who don’t see the need for a striker signing. Swanny and co.
2 . The club’s recruitment army have had more than 2 seasons to replace Muzza and they have not managed it. Yes, it is obviously difficult. But there are too many apologists for their significant and only failure.


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"A striker signing" is too simplistic a view. Yes, the right one at the right price would be fantastic, but what has anyone seen from Edouard or Nunez to suggest that either of them would be that player?

What is the actual problem? Obviously that we need to convert more of the chances we create, but maybe also that we aren't creating the right sort of chances for the players we have.

The first point is not rocket science, but if we're thinking positively, it would have taken only a marginal difference for Trossard, Maupay and Connolly alone to have had three or four more goals each last season. There's no guarantee that a new striker wouldn't be just as unlucky.

But my second point is that in too many games last season we didn't make many openings for midfield players to score. Pascal Gross didn't score a goal in free play last season, and our shortage of goals from midfield is partly a consequence of Mac Allister, Lallana, Bissouma etc constantly facing packed 10-man defences forced back by our possession game. Even Ally Mac's goal at Palace was a deflection as he hit the ball into a thicket of defenders.

That, as many people have noted, was a consequence of the fact that our build-up was often very slow, and gave opponents time to get men behind the ball. Solly March was having a good season by common consent until his injury, but he still refused to play a first-time cross on too many occasions. Against Luton, he whacked one over first-time and Mwepu was onto it before the defence could set itself. More of that, please. Move the ball with a little more zip earlier in our spells of possession and who knows what will happen?

 

[SeagullB]

I don't understand where the idea that a 10 goal striker is bad has come from. We currently have 7 strikers on our books, of which only Maupay has scored 10 goals in a Premier league season. Welbeck has never scored 10 in a season (although I'm sure he could if he wasn't injured). Then you've got our other 5 strikers, none of whom have scored 10 goals in the Premier league across all their seasons combined. Zeqiri and Tau are yet to score, Andone and Locadia both managed around 4 Premier league goals and Connolly has scored 5 across two seasons. When put like that, we then have one striker in our squad who can score 10 goals a season, so would it really be a bad signing if we were to spend a sum of money on another 10 goal a season player? I just don't understand when scoring ten goals became something to dismiss, especially when so many fans want a Muzza V2, and yet his most prolific season culminated in 13 premier league goals.

 

[Swansman]

I don’t disagree with any of that.

Some counters:
1. There are still plenty of idiots who don’t see the need for a striker signing. Swanny and co.
2 . The club’s recruitment army have had more than 2 seasons to replace Muzza and they have not managed it. Yes, it is obviously difficult. But there are too many apologists for their significant and only failure.


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[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

"A striker signing" is too simplistic a view. Yes, the right one at the right price would be fantastic, but what has anyone seen from Edouard or Nunez to suggest that either of them would be that player?

What is the actual problem? Obviously that we need to convert more of the chances we create, but maybe also that we aren't creating the right sort of chances for the players we have.

The first point is not rocket science, but if we're thinking positively, it would have taken only a marginal difference for Trossard, Maupay and Connolly alone to have had three or four more goals each last season. There's no guarantee that a new striker wouldn't be just as unlucky.

But my second point is that in too many games last season we didn't make many openings for midfield players to score. Pascal Gross didn't score a goal in free play last season, and our shortage of goals from midfield is partly a consequence of Mac Allister, Lallana, Bissouma etc constantly facing packed 10-man defences forced back by our possession game. Even Ally Mac's goal at Palace was a deflection as he hit the ball into a thicket of defenders.

That, as many people have noted, was a consequence of the fact that our build-up was often very slow, and gave opponents time to get men behind the ball. Solly March was having a good season by common consent until his injury, but he still refused to play a first-time cross on too many occasions. Against Luton, he whacked one over first-time and Mwepu was onto it before the defence could set itself. More of that, please. Move the ball with a little more zip earlier in our spells of possession and who knows what will happen?

I saw a stat (maybe from Statbomb?) that said we had the worst average position for our shots last season - I think this was measured by the number of people between the shooter and the goal. In other words, whilst we had many chances, on average, they were the worst in the league. Could easily be related to your (totally correct) point about our ponderous build up,

I'm sure some will point out glaring misses from all our forwards, but every club has those. But looking back, I can see that the stat does feel right. Fix that and we could see a very rapid change in fortunes. But fixing that won't necessarily come from a striker - it'll come from the ability of our defenders and midfielders to break the line more swiftly.

 

[Frankworthington]

I don’t disagree with any of that.

Some counters:
1. There are still plenty of idiots who don’t see the need for a striker signing. Swanny and co.
2 . The club’s recruitment army have had more than 2 seasons to replace Muzza and they have not managed it. Yes, it is obviously difficult. But there are too many apologists for their significant and only failure.


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Your the idiot

Fact

Your winging is VERY tiresome

 

[um bongo molongo]

"A striker signing" is too simplistic a view. Yes, the right one at the right price would be fantastic, but what has anyone seen from Edouard or Nunez to suggest that either of them would be that player?

What is the actual problem? Obviously that we need to convert more of the chances we create, but maybe also that we aren't creating the right sort of chances for the players we have.

The first point is not rocket science, but if we're thinking positively, it would have taken only a marginal difference for Trossard, Maupay and Connolly alone to have had three or four more goals each last season. There's no guarantee that a new striker wouldn't be just as unlucky.

But my second point is that in too many games last season we didn't make many openings for midfield players to score. Pascal Gross didn't score a goal in free play last season, and our shortage of goals from midfield is partly a consequence of Mac Allister, Lallana, Bissouma etc constantly facing packed 10-man defences forced back by our possession game. Even Ally Mac's goal at Palace was a deflection as he hit the ball into a thicket of defenders.

That, as many people have noted, was a consequence of the fact that our build-up was often very slow, and gave opponents time to get men behind the ball. Solly March was having a good season by common consent until his injury, but he still refused to play a first-time cross on too many occasions. Against Luton, he whacked one over first-time and Mwepu was onto it before the defence could set itself. More of that, please. Move the ball with a little more zip earlier in our spells of possession and who knows what will happen?

I agree with all of this, but I’d argue there’s two problems there that are hard (or impossible) to coach: 1) our side, especially Maupay and Trossard, are not clinical finishers, and 2) we lack pace in our front line (Welbeck apart maybe) and in wide areas when Lamptey isn’t playing. It seems we’re trying to recruit to deal with both issues - a new forward player who has pace and is a good finisher, and a Cucarella type for LWB (and possibly a back up to Lamptey on the right if the Livramento rumours were true). Just hope we can land them, they’re two vital recruits for us to progress.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Your the idiot

Fact

Your winging is VERY tiresome

His relentless striker bollocks and insistence on riding his high horse through the middle of every conversation resulted in his consignment to my gang of 50. His mantra is up there with 'the end of the world is nigh' and 'we're going into another ice age'.

 

[Perry's Tracksuit Bottoms]

Potters position at club is “far from secure” and that they may “join pursuit” for Eddie Howe.

Potter's shoelaces are undone and we may hire Eddie Howe to tie them up?

 

[Sheebo]

His relentless striker bollocks and insistence on riding his high horse through the middle of every conversation resulted in his consignment to my gang of 50. His mantra is up there with 'the end od the world is nigh' and 'we're going into another ice age'.

I know I’m on the hang of 50 but let’s see if you read this gramps

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I know I’m on the hang of 50 but let’s see if you read this gramps

You're doing fine, young man.

 

[Frankworthington]

His relentless striker bollocks and insistence on riding his high horse through the middle of every conversation resulted in his consignment to my gang of 50. His mantra is up there with 'the end of the world is nigh' and 'we're going into another ice age'.

Very well put Harry

 

[Uh_huh_him]

I agree with all of this, but I’d argue there’s two problems there that are hard (or impossible) to coach: 1) our side, especially Maupay and Trossard, are not clinical finishers, and 2) we lack pace in our front line (Welbeck apart maybe) and in wide areas when Lamptey isn’t playing. It seems we’re trying to recruit to deal with both issues - a new forward player who has pace and is a good finisher, and a Cucarella type for LWB (and possibly a back up to Lamptey on the right if the Livramento rumours were true). Just hope we can land them, they’re two vital recruits for us to progress.

I think the term "clinical strikers" is a little bit of an over used term in regards to our players.

CBA to dredge them up now, but I seem to recall stats showing that Kane, Vardy and others in the "clinical striker" mould , had very similar % stats to Maupay last season.

My pet theory is that the team collectively became uptight about the whole xg thing last season and this became a self-fulfilling problem for our strikers.
There were some absolute shockers last season, undoubtedly, but I don't buy into the idea that Maupay, particularly, isn't up to the job.

He relishes the confrontation element of the game and I think that playing with full stadiums, will see an improvement in his performances.

 

[Guinness Boy]

"A striker signing" is too simplistic a view. Yes, the right one at the right price would be fantastic, but what has anyone seen from Edouard or Nunez to suggest that either of them would be that player?

What is the actual problem? Obviously that we need to convert more of the chances we create, but maybe also that we aren't creating the right sort of chances for the players we have.

The first point is not rocket science, but if we're thinking positively, it would have taken only a marginal difference for Trossard, Maupay and Connolly alone to have had three or four more goals each last season. There's no guarantee that a new striker wouldn't be just as unlucky.

But my second point is that in too many games last season we didn't make many openings for midfield players to score. Pascal Gross didn't score a goal in free play last season, and our shortage of goals from midfield is partly a consequence of Mac Allister, Lallana, Bissouma etc constantly facing packed 10-man defences forced back by our possession game. Even Ally Mac's goal at Palace was a deflection as he hit the ball into a thicket of defenders.

That, as many people have noted, was a consequence of the fact that our build-up was often very slow, and gave opponents time to get men behind the ball. Solly March was having a good season by common consent until his injury, but he still refused to play a first-time cross on too many occasions. Against Luton, he whacked one over first-time and Mwepu was onto it before the defence could set itself. More of that, please. Move the ball with a little more zip earlier in our spells of possession and who knows what will happen?

Yep, all of that.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

I saw a stat (maybe from Statsbomb?) that said we had the worst average position for our shots last season - I think this was measured by the number of people between the shooter and the goal. In other words, whilst we had many chances, on average, they were the worst in the league. Could easily be related to your (totally correct) point about our ponderous build up,

I'm sure some will point out glaring misses from all our forwards, but every club has those. But looking back, I can see that the stat does feel right. Fix that and we could see a very rapid change in fortunes. But fixing that won't necessarily come from a striker - it'll come from the ability of our defenders and midfielders to break the line more swiftly.

Found the stats [MENTION=10202]Not Andy Naylor[/MENTION] - it was Statsbomb - https://statsbomb.com/2021/08/brighton-hove-albion-season-preview-2021-22/ - it's a very interesting read.

"Only six teams reached the final third more often than Brighton last season. Only three completed more passes inside the penalty box. Only Leeds completed more cutbacks. Brighton controlled the territory effectively, but their slow build-up did come at the cost of some shot clarity: their opponents had an average of 3.6 defenders behind the location of the ball when Brighton shot from inside the box. That number was the highest in the league, as was the 39% rate of those shots being blocked".

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

His relentless striker bollocks and insistence on riding his high horse through the middle of every conversation resulted in his consignment to my gang of 50. His mantra is up there with 'the end of the world is nigh' and 'we're going into another ice age'.

Have you really got 50 people on ignore ? I know you threatened me with it once.

 

[rippleman]

I never understood all this "ignore" nonsense.

I regularly find myself disagreeing with a poster on one thread and then I'm thumbs-upping the same poster's contributions on a different thread.

All a bit petty and "playgroundy" for me.