NSC political leanings

[Mowgli37]

Did the quiz, came out as a left social moderate though I believe I'm more inclined to hold a liberal attitude to issues.

 

[RowleyBirkinQ.C(deceased)]

My family were all socialist and staunch labour voters.My grandad was Canadian, labour and pro unionist. So much so, I remember him putting a £20 note into a collection for the minors strike down boundary road portslade (which was big money then)
I voted labour and celebrated when Tony Blair won, but became very disillusioned and now I distrust most politicians, whatever party.
These days I struggle to find a truely genuine politician of any party

 

[BadFish]

Did the quiz, came out as a left social moderate though I believe I'm more inclined to hold a liberal attitude to issues.

I came out more left and less libertarian than I consider my self to be. It would be interesting to know if it is the quiz that is skewed or our own perception of our political beliefs?

I would suspect maybe a bit of both.

 

[Jimmy Come Lately]

For those who're interested in where the UK political parties lie, the site politicalcompass.org uses a similar chart (Beware! Theirs is flipped so that Libertarian is at the bottom and Authoritarian at the top, so don't just map it onto the one that BadFish posted in this thread.) and produced this interpretation of the party manifestos for the 2010 election (follow the link for explanation/commentary):

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Obviously, what the parties have said and done since 2010 (particularly those in office, particulary the Lib-Dems) may differ from what was in their manifestos. An updated chart might look quite different. But there's another chart at the bottom of that page that shows that the major parties have been converging on the same space in the right/authoritarian quadrant for a while, so I doubt they've suddenly abandoned it.

 

[BadFish]

My family were all socialist and staunch labour voters.My grandad was Canadian, labour and pro unionist. So much so, I remember him putting a £20 note into a collection for the minors strike down boundary road portslade (which was big money then)
I voted labour and celebrated when Tony Blair won, but became very disillusioned and now I distrust most politicians, whatever party.
These days I struggle to find a truely genuine politician of any party

I too celebrated when Blair came to power (possibly more celebrating the end of the Tory rule) and was a great beneficiary of the New Start program implemented by Labour but like you quickly became disillusioned by New Labour. I am mistrusting of politicians but have found a little solace in the Australia Green party who i feel represent my views whole heartedly and is represented by decent honest and trustworthy people (this may of course change).

I was tempted to tactical vote in the last election to keep Tony Abbot but but stuck to my belief in voting for what i want rather than what i don't want.

 

[BadFish]

For those who're interested in where the UK political parties lie, the site politicalcompass.org uses a similar chart (Beware! Theirs is flipped so that Libertarian is at the bottom and Authoritarian at the top, so don't just map it onto the one that BadFish posted in this thread.) and produced this interpretation of the party manifestos for the 2010 election (follow the link for explanation/commentary):

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Obviously, what the parties have said and done since 2010 (particularly those in office, particulary the Lib-Dems) may differ from what was in their manifestos. An updated chart might look quite different. But there's another chart at the bottom of that page that shows that the major parties have been converging on the same space in the right/authoritarian quadrant for a while, so I doubt they've suddenly abandoned it.

That is very interesting (the Australian one is terrifying). It would be interesting to me to have them plot a graph with historical political parties for comparison. Hitlers Nazi, Mao's communists, thatchers 80's, Labours 40's, Stalin's Russia etc.

Having voted for New Labour I think that now we are suffering from a vacuum in their traditional left Libertarian area which is denying many people a genuine choice to oppose the neo Liberals in the top right hand corner.

 

[Jimmy Come Lately]

Louis Blanc originally. I'd call it Socialism, if it needs to be called anything. Don't see how it fits with "Authoritarian" on the chart, though.

I don't think the quote says anything about the libertarian-authoritarian axis. The sharing of wealth that it implies could be done voluntarily/collectively (which would usually imply a society in the "anarchism" area of the chart) or as heavy-handed gathering and redistribution by the state (traditionally called "communism").

But the benefit of having the two axes is to separate economic and social matters, so co-opting the social axis to try to describe the method of redistribution isn't very helpful. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is hard left economically, but you'll need some other quote to guide your up/down placement.

 

[Jimmy Come Lately]

Having voted for New Labour I think that now we are suffering from a vacuum in their traditional left Libertarian area which is denying many people a genuine choice to oppose the neo Liberals in the top right hand corner.

I find it disturbing that the convergence on the authoritarian/right quadrant seems to be happening all around the world (although less so in democracies with more-proportional voting systems, where votes for smaller parties are less likely to be seen as "wasted"). If even the 2008 crash and five years of no economic growth can't nudge mainstream parties to explore territory a bit further left along the scale, I guess we're stuck with it for the foreseeable.

Unless we see a dramatic escalation in natural disasters that can unambiguously be attributed to climate change. Then we might see a swing towards the Greens.

 

[dougdeep]

Doesn't everybody vote for the best candidate?

 

[Notters]

So most people here are liberal; but the main political parties in this country are (currently) very authoritarian. Hmmmmm.

 

[Goldstone1976]

I did the test (although it had 52 questions, it only took 5 mins), and it placed me on the "y" of your "Social Democracy" point in the graph, which, happily, is where I would have put myself anyway. It's interesting that the test allows you to compare your position against the average score of other UK citizens (60,000 have done the test). Out of interest, the UK average score is also under the "Y" of "Social democracy", but a bit closer to the horizontal line.

It's the first time I've done any test that purports to validate the moniker which I attribute to myself. It's pleasing to have some affirmation that my descriptor of my politics is somewhat accurate.

 

[Creaky]

So most people here are liberal; but the main political parties in this country are (currently) very authoritarian. Hmmmmm.

There are a number of areas covered by the 'quiz' where all the UK parties would definitely fall into the 'liberal' category.

Healthcare, abortion, gay rights, foreign aid, public broadcasting etc.

It is easy to forget just how liberal the UK is in comparison to many other countries.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I did the quiz and, who'd have thought it, I'm "far-left moderate social libertarian"

You astound me

I might have to take the quiz later. "Socially liberal ex Labour Voter who wouldn't touch them these days, disliker of 99% of professional politicians and cynical about the intentions of just about everyone" covers it for now.

Nihilism than.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Doesn't everybody vote for the best candidate?

So I'll just leave this here. It explains why I will and you should.

https://notaproperblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/in-2015-im-voting-for-the-person-or-not-at-all/

 

[skipper734]

Mine 17 yr Jnr Skipper




The results are too biased by the questions being aimed at Americans. Lies, damn lies and statistics.

 

[Buzzer]

Surprisingly enough, politics still comes down to three basic premises, 1,I want to be able to make as much money as I can,Tory. 2, I want a society where people can make money but there is an understanding to support the less well off. Lib-Dem. 3, You can make money but the weakest members of society should be supported, Labour.

It all depends on your conscience really.

Utter bollocks. You can vote Tory* because you believe in personal freedom, personal responsibility and that a relatively free market economy is the best system for a stable and prosperous democracy.

*Traditional One Nation Conservatism anyway, not the buffoons in power at the moment

Here's my results:

 

[vegster]

. You can vote Tory* because you believe in personal freedom, personal responsibility and that a relatively free market economy is the best system for a stable and prosperous democracy. Utter bollocks

*Traditional One Nation Conservatism anyway, not the buffoons in power at the moment

Here's my results:

Corrected for you.

PS, surely after your post you should put your battleship much further up the map ?

 

[ofco8]

Probably, like most people, there is no political party or group that covers all that I wish for.

I like some points Labour propose, do. the Tories , do. UKIP. The Lib Dems and Greens offer me nothing I can hang my coat on.

Remember, this is my view only, you will all have different views and that is your business, not mine.

 

[BLOCK F]

Surprisingly enough, politics still comes down to three basic premises, 1,I want to be able to make as much money as I can,Tory. 2, I want a society where people can make money but there is an understanding to support the less well off. Lib-Dem. 3, You can make money but the weakest members of society should be supported, Labour.

It all depends on your conscience really.

No it doesn't.
You have set out the above statements based on your own interpretation of what you believe Conservative,Liberal and Labour values are.
Fair enough,othere people will disagree with you.
It certainly cannot be just a matter of conscience based on what you have set out.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Another socialist.