North stand stewards

[Brovion]

To describe someone in such derogatory and personal terms is disgraceful and no better than those who spout racist and homophobic hatred.

Perhaps such vitriol demonstrates the extreme limitations of these people to think or play their part in a civilised society. Think about what you've posted and consider whether it is acceptable? If not, make a public apology now. Alternatively, if you think it is ok, perhaps this football club is not for you and you are probably a closet palace fan!

Everyone knows that it was originally agreed that people standing in the rear four rows of the North Stand would be tolerated BUT NOWHERE ELSE. What is there not to understand about that. Continued non-compliance could jeopardise the Safety Certificate for the stadium and can be annoying for others. All-sweater stadia came about as a result of regular crushes and injuries and nothing couldn't have been worse than what happened to the 96 at Hillsborough.

The steward will have worked to instructions and he does not need abuse from the very thick people who think it is ok to abuse anyone. Stewards are there for people's safety, YOUR safety and do not need to be abused. If someone has hit a steward, they are not a football supporter, they are a Neanderthal thug. Again, they have shown just how thick they are to assault someone where there are so many CCTV cameras. It will be recorded and the evidence will be damning, I am pleased to say.

Don't make anyone out to be a martyr, they are simply a thug and a criminal and I look forward to them being dealt with by the Club and the criminal courts. Such people are the true scum and not worthy to support our great club.

Well, apart from the people who burned to death at Bradford because they were SITTING DOWN. I accept that you have no knowledge of football or any empathy with football fans (did you switch from tennis or something?), but the actual concept of standing to watch football is no more dangerous than the concept of sitting to watch football, so please don't mention Hillsborough again unless it's in the context of pointing out how bad all stadia were in the past. I think your attitude stinks and all credit to the Northstanders who, literally, aren't taking this sitting down.

 

[mistahclarke]

To describe someone in such derogatory and personal terms is disgraceful and no better than those who spout racist and homophobic hatred.

Perhaps such vitriol demonstrates the extreme limitations of these people to think or play their part in a civilised society. Think about what you've posted and consider whether it is acceptable? If not, make a public apology now. Alternatively, if you think it is ok, perhaps this football club is not for you and you are probably a closet palace fan!

Everyone knows that it was originally agreed that people standing in the rear four rows of the North Stand would be tolerated BUT NOWHERE ELSE. What is there not to understand about that. Continued non-compliance could jeopardise the Safety Certificate for the stadium and can be annoying for others. All-sweater stadia came about as a result of regular crushes and injuries and nothing couldn't have been worse than what happened to the 96 at Hillsborough.

The steward will have worked to instructions and he does not need abuse from the very thick people who think it is ok to abuse anyone. Stewards are there for people's safety, YOUR safety and do not need to be abused. If someone has hit a steward, they are not a football supporter, they are a Neanderthal thug. Again, they have shown just how thick they are to assault someone where there are so many CCTV cameras. It will be recorded and the evidence will be damning, I am pleased to say.

Don't make anyone out to be a martyr, they are simply a thug and a criminal and I look forward to them being dealt with by the Club and the criminal courts. Such people are the true scum and not worthy to support our great club.

Just quoting this as it's a well written and logical post.

The stewards actions need better leadership, but acting like a thug is the catalyst.

 

[See-Goals]

Isn't it strange that stewards are invisible to the overwhelming majority of Albion fans who turn up to watch their team play and manage to abide by one of the first rules and the easiest, sit on a padded seat, stand for good build up/goals/rash tackles - return to seat.

If fans can't understand this basic of rules then I'm surprised they are able to walk on hind legs to get to the stadium in the first place.

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

So if the whole of the North Stand stood during the whole 90 minutes in a sort of protest against the over zealous stewarding would they throw the lot of us out and ban us ?
And if they did could we ask for video footage of the away fans standing during the same game and then quote some sort of bias against us !!!

 

[Commander]

Just quoting this as it's a well written and logical post.

No it isn't, it's a load of bollocks by somebody who doesn't understand football. An to bring Hillsborourgh into it just proves that fact.

And why does everyone keep blaming Barber on this? Surely this has Hebbard's fingerprints all over it? All of a sudden people seem to blame Barber for anything that has gone wrong in their day to day lives.

 

[yxee]

No time to read 7 pages but am I correct in saying someone was thrown out for singing "stand up if you hate palace" Were there prior circumstances or provocations?

 

[mistahclarke]

Right I will tell everyone on here now what has happened tonight as I am friends with most of the stewards at the ground. The club has been warned by the f.a. Not once but twice about persitant standing so the stewards have now been told to clamp down on it in every row apart from the back 3 rows which is what everyone knew when we first moved into the stadium. Now they are not going to throw people out for standing up now and again when something exciting happens in the game but if people constantly stand up all the time then they will be warned once or twice then if they carry on they will be either taken downstairs and given a severe warning by a club official or will be escorted from the ground for that game then if they do it again in following games then they will be banned for an amount of time. The first guy ejected tonight verbally abused a female steward and has also been warned in the past about persistent standing and the second guy was also ejected for persistent standing and yes I love the hate palace stand up song as much as the next Bha fan but it seems like now it only gets sung just to wind up the stewards not to bring us all together in unity against palace. We all know what the f.a. Are like they like making examples of clubs or people so lets not let it be the Albion who get a fine or worse any points deducted or something for us as fans not sitting down when we should be. And yes I am good friends with the larger steward you guys are going on about and I can assure you he is not billy big bollocks or up himself he is actually a big Albion fan but he gets paid to do a job so he has to do it, he does not want to throw anyone out of the ground and stop them supporting the Albion but he has to do his job. Anyway that enough from me just lets everybody think about all of this before we start going off about the stewards. Cheers guys, up the Albion.

So can you answer a few questions then?

Who is in charge of the stewards? Who directs them and are they monitoring the crowd on CCTV?
What conversations have they had with fans outside of the match environment about what they are trying to achieve?
Are they aware that behaviour breeds behaviour and if they act aggressively it will be reciprocated. Do they know how to handle mob mentality? What training do they actually get?
do know it's a football match and are they taught that fans are passionate and football brings out the highest range of emotions.

 

[Garage_Doors]

He told a child off for standing on a seat. Where were the parents!!

This.
Parents think it is ok for a child to stand on a seat . wonder if they let them do it home?

 

[Buzzer]

No it isn't, it's a load of bollocks by somebody who doesn't understand football. An to bring Hillsborourgh into it just proves that fact..

Agreed. A strawman argument at best but Hillsborough is now proved to be due not to fan disbehaviour but incompetence on the part of those in charge of the stewarding outside the ground i.e. the police. And what the bloke also fails to mention is that it's all well and good citing comments by Hebberd 2 years ago about tolerating standing in the back 4 rows only but in practice for the last season and a half it has largely been ignored by both stewards and fans and with no reported deaths or serious injury as far as I can recall. It's simply not good enough to piss around with enforcing rules at random fans and enforcing it badly by all accounts and not expect negative reactions.

 

[Buzzer]

This.
Parents think it is ok for a child to stand on a seat . wonder if they let them do it home?

Are you joking? This is a football match not a family meal. Kids have stood on chairs since there's been chairs at football. Please don't tell me you've never seen it, I won't believe you.

 

[mistahclarke]

No it isn't, it's a load of bollocks by somebody who doesn't understand football. An to bring Hillsborourgh into it just proves that fact.

And why does everyone keep blaming Barber on this? Surely this has Hebbard's fingerprints all over it? All of a sudden people seem to blame Barber for anything that has gone wrong in their day to day lives.

Well I thought it was, and got these points from it:
Standing sections were communicated in the STH stadium tours, and the rest of the stadium is all-seater. That's the FA direction and based on the Hillsborough enquiry
Stewards are just doing their job (badly in my opinion, but someone tells them what to do)
If you assault someone on CCTV, then you are an idiot as you are going to get caught

To be fair I also got your point from "f*** off"

 

[Bozza]

Standing sections were communicated in the STH stadium tours, and the rest of the stadium is all-seater. That's the FA direction and based on the Hillsborough enquiry

Really? I must have missed the bit that said something like "stadium shall be all-seater apart from a number of rows (shall we say 4, does 4 work for everyone?) in one arbitrarily chosen stand."

Can you point me to where the FA allow this limited amount of standing please.

 

[kateean2]

And a steward got attacked at half time in north stand, and there was a fight between a steward and a fan near the end in the stand with the fat steward with no neck getting hit

 

[mistahclarke]

Really? I must have missed the bit that said something like "stadium shall be all-seater apart from a number of rows (shall we say 4, does 4 work for everyone?) in one arbitrarily chosen stand."

Can you point me to where the FA allow this limited amount of standing please.

You know I didn't mean that bit, I meant the all-seater bit was due to the Taylor enquiry. No idea where the club found they could let some people stand.

Shame these incidents have over-shadowed a clean-sheet and a win, but if the Stewards don't think about their approach it's going to escalate.

 

[Buzzer]

That's the FA direction and based on the Hillsborough enquiry

You're doing yourself no favours trying to keep tying this in with Hillsborough. The enquiry is discredited, the circumstances were completely different and it would be impossible to re-create even if you tried at the Amex.

 

[stss30]

A steward had an epileptic fit in N1B FACT.

 

[Knotty]

Undoubtedly there are stewards who are OTT in their actions but, equally, there are many fans who deliberately enjoy flouting the rules so they are not blameless.

The club should also take its share of the blame - at the presentation I went to they said that standing would be tolerated in the back 4 rows but others have quoted differently. The club should clarify this.

If it is 4 rows then anyone outside of this should abide by it. You KNOW what the rules are. If you flout them you should accept the consequences. I think the non-standing law should be abolished and safe standing implemented but until it is, we should live with the situation.

I also agree that the away fans should be subject to exactly the same stewarding as the home fans. You simply cannot have a stricter regime for the home fans.

The non-standing law was correct when it was first implemented but football has moved on substantially and the problems it was brought in to avoid can now be addressed in ways that satisfy all. It is an outdated law that now creates problems of its own.

If that fan who was ejected yesterday for starting the 'Stand up if you hate Palace' song actually did that, and if that's all he did, then I think the stewards were being OTT. When that is sung, most who stand sit down again afterwards just as they do regularly for what's happening on the pitch. It's been sung thousands of time for many years. (If he was slung out for starting a very tedious chant, then I agree with it, but that's another story entirely!)

This needs an injection of common sense from club, stewards and fans.

 

[mistahclarke]

You're doing yourself no favours trying to keep tying this in with Hillsborough. The enquiry is discredited, the circumstances were completely different and it would be impossible to re-create even if you tried at the Amex.

I'm not, I was summarizing someone else's points and I assumed why they mentioned it.

I am of the opinion that standing at football grounds is safe if well managed. It seems to me that the problem is with the leadership and training of the stewards, and getting heavy handed will only ever get the same response from the crowd. I would expect though they are closely monitoring the North Stand on CCTV and picking out what they feel are instigators. If not, then they really balls it up last night.

 

[TheMajor]

To describe someone in such derogatory and personal terms is disgraceful and no better than those who spout racist and homophobic hatred.

Perhaps such vitriol demonstrates the extreme limitations of these people to think or play their part in a civilised society. Think about what you've posted and consider whether it is acceptable? If not, make a public apology now. Alternatively, if you think it is ok, perhaps this football club is not for you and you are probably a closet palace fan!

Everyone knows that it was originally agreed that people standing in the rear four rows of the North Stand would be tolerated BUT NOWHERE ELSE. What is there not to understand about that. Continued non-compliance could jeopardise the Safety Certificate for the stadium and can be annoying for others. All-sweater stadia came about as a result of regular crushes and injuries and nothing couldn't have been worse than what happened to the 96 at Hillsborough.

The steward will have worked to instructions and he does not need abuse from the very thick people who think it is ok to abuse anyone. Stewards are there for people's safety, YOUR safety and do not need to be abused. If someone has hit a steward, they are not a football supporter, they are a Neanderthal thug. Again, they have shown just how thick they are to assault someone where there are so many CCTV cameras. It will be recorded and the evidence will be damning, I am pleased to say.

Don't make anyone out to be a martyr, they are simply a thug and a criminal and I look forward to them being dealt with by the Club and the criminal courts. Such people are the true scum and not worthy to support our great club.

On a lighter note - when did this get introduced? Can I get ejected for wearing a cardie?

 

[portlock seagull]

No it isn't, it's a load of bollocks by somebody who doesn't understand football. An to bring Hillsborourgh into it just proves that fact.

And why does everyone keep blaming Barber on this? Surely this has Hebbard's fingerprints all over it? All of a sudden people seem to blame Barber for anything that has gone wrong in their day to day lives.

This. One of the other north stand stewards actually agreed and asked if we could all write to the club to express our outrage and what he agrees is petty enforcement that makes situation worse. Of course he'll be sacked for such common sense!