North korea makes statement to the US and Japan

[Albion my Albion]

It was here in 1942 that the US tested their first atomic bomb in what was then under the seating at the University of Chicago's American football stadium. They have since turned the space into a library with this peace monument in the exact location where the bomb was detonated. It was all under the direction of Robert Oppenheimer.

https://www.uchicago.edu/features/how_the_first_chain_reaction_changed_science/

 

[Tokyohands]

China and Russia won't do much because they actually want America bogged down and distracted with disputes. I was blissfully unaware of the launch here in Tokyo, as usual, but my friends in the northern half of Japan got woken up by air raid sirens again, which is stupid. If they start sounding those in Tokyo every time Kim tests one of his giant fireworks then I shall be packing my wife and children off to Brighton.

 

[Gabbafella]

It would be a travesty for Japan to get nuked for a third time, it doesn't bear thinking about.

The real travesty is how the US was never held accountable for the hundreds of thousands of innocents the murdered in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They now have the nerve to condemn another country for threatening the same. Hypocritical pricks.

 

[ferring seagull]

You're confusing Von Braun, who did rockets with Robert Oppenheimer who led the Manhattan Project which started in 1942. Putting nuclear warheads on missiles didn't come along until the 1950s

OK ! - my misunderstanding.

 

[bhachris]

The real travesty is how the US was never held accountable for the hundreds of thousands of innocents the murdered in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They now have the nerve to condemn another country for threatening the same. Hypocritical pricks.

Do you really think an Allied invasion of Japan would have been the best option? Many more would have perished. IMO the dropping of atomic bombs on Japan was a necessary evil.

 

[Simster]

It is probably time the Chinese and the Americans agreed on a way forward. I should think that means a joint invasion, and then re-unite Korea with an agreement where the US pull out of Korea completely within a few years.

 

[The Gem]

F*ck the sanctions, be done with it, Lets just nuke NK anyway.

 

[scamander]

there's a lot more bluff and gameplay than being being seen here. A lot of what NK is doing might be to force the US to show their hand, e.g. find out what capability the US has in terms of taking down missiles.

Much of modern warfare is about working out what the other guy has, normally you can only truly find this out in war. China and Russia will be keen to know what sort of anti-missile systems the US has (the latter certainly with NATO in mind). Ideally they'd like the US to shoot something down, then they can use the data to work out what the system is and ultimately to develop something which can beat it.

 

[essbee1]

What a civilized world we live in, how much we've learnt and further moved on since war.. after war.after war.
I'm 52 and not a day has gone by when a single nation has been at peace. ffs it's school playground behaviour. pathetic.

Totally agree with this. Why can't people just get on with their lives and try make this a better world. f** knows there are huge problems
we need to solve.

 

[One Love]

Do you really think an Allied invasion of Japan would have been the best option? Many more would have perished. IMO the dropping of atomic bombs on Japan was a necessary evil.

It wasn't necessary to drop it on a city was it? Surely a remote island could have been used as a show of force so they surrendered.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

It is probably time the Chinese and the Americans agreed on a way forward. I should think that means a joint invasion, and then re-unite Korea with an agreement where the US pull out of Korea completely within a few years.

Very tricky on so many levels, you've got 25 million NK's, the majority of whom are utterly brainwashed in support of the regime for a start, China are content to have NK as a puppet 'communist' buffer zone against South Korea, but yes, diplomacy hasn't and never will achieve anything with NK, and sanctions likewise, which just penalise the population in the same way that any food aid never gets to those who need it and is often sold on the NK black market or just given to the fat boy's troops not the civilian population.

 

[drew]

It wasn't necessary to drop it on a city was it? Surely a remote island could have been used as a show of force so they surrendered.

Nice idea but it still took two bombs for them to surrender! That after blanket bombing of many Japanese cities which didn't persuade them to surrender despite being driven back and in no position to win the war.

 

[drew]

It is probably time the Chinese and the Americans agreed on a way forward. I should think that means a joint invasion, and then re-unite Korea with an agreement where the US pull out of Korea completely within a few years.

Doesn't the situation suit China at the moment? They are not threatened by NK and everything the tinpot dictatorship does undermines the USA, probably the major economic rival of China!

 

[ack]

Posturing ATM is easy for each side. Biggest worry is, if 1 of these missiles over Japan fecks up. Then whole world of hurt gonna happen.

 

[Bob'n'weave]

Massive political gamesmanship from Russia and China who seem to be tapping their fingers waiting for the U.S to do something drastic, which they may well do given the rhetoric being bounced about by NK former allies and the psychotic ramblings from NK. All the time China and Russia just sit by and watch, the prospect of something terrible happening is looming daily. A unified ultimatum is needed, from the UN, led by Russia and China, which should be delivered to NK asap. This is definitely a case of tacit bystander complicity from Russia and China to NK's ridiculous and potentially catastrophic posturing. By doing nothing, they are just as bad as NK IMHO.

 

[The Clamp]

At some point one of the players in this is going to take some decisive action. This won't de-escalate now. Such is the nature of things. China or Russia will do nothing to reduce tensions, they both want to see the US taken down a peg. War is coming.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

This is definitely a case of tacit bystander complicity from Russia and China to NK's ridiculous and potentially catastrophic posturing..

What's new?

 

[Simster]

Doesn't the situation suit China at the moment? They are not threatened by NK and everything the tinpot dictatorship does undermines the USA, probably the major economic rival of China!

Yes and no. China is a rival of the US but it also trades heavily with the US - and North Korea is getting in the way of that. Equally, China will have to make a decision one day to consider at what point it stops being worth propping up a basket case state causing regional instability that also starves millions of it's own people to the extent that millions might potentially flood over it's border looking for food.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Interesting film on utter scum companies in Poland, one of which employs forced NK labourers to shipbuild on vessels that are sold to the UK and France.

 

[Gazwag]

Posturing ATM is easy for each side. Biggest worry is, if 1 of these missiles over Japan fecks up. Then whole world of hurt gonna happen.

Or explodes high up in the air and the debris brings down a commercial jet