Non Boxing Day football [moved to Tue. December 18th]

[Longfellow]

Thanks to The Large One for:-

I'm told 'hopefully, by the end of this week...'.

Just thinking on a bit having seen the re-quote of Papa Lazarou:-

Originally Posted by Papa Lazarou
Snow machines, and large industrial freezer units stationed all round the site. Or, just build the bloody monorail - we all know it's the solution to all of this.

Does anyone have any idea of the likely cost (plus any allowances you like for inflation and overspend) of a monorail from say The Level to the Amex/universities? Perhaps the £1million plus to be spent on reconfiguring The Level would be better spent on a monorail terminus!

The Coalition government threatened to spend money on infrastructure projects - how far down the list would this monorail be? Are any EU grants or Lottery funding available for such projects?

PS I would not expect the monorail to be up and running for Boxing Day 2012 but wondered about a timescale if the money was available.

 

[8ace]

Thanks to The Large One for:-

I'm told 'hopefully, by the end of this week...'.

Just thinking on a bit having seen the re-quote of Papa Lazarou:-

Originally Posted by Papa Lazarou
Snow machines, and large industrial freezer units stationed all round the site. Or, just build the bloody monorail - we all know it's the solution to all of this.

Does anyone have any idea of the likely cost (plus any allowances you like for inflation and overspend) of a monorail from say The Level to the Amex/universities? Perhaps the £1million plus to be spent on reconfiguring The Level would be better spent on a monorail terminus!

The Coalition government threatened to spend money on infrastructure projects - how far down the list would this monorail be? Are any EU grants or Lottery funding available for such projects?

PS I would not expect the monorail to be up and running for Boxing Day 2012 but wondered about a timescale if the money was available.

The amount the WCML/VT cockup cost the government would have probably paid for the monorail

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Thanks to The Large One for:-

I'm told 'hopefully, by the end of this week...'.

Just thinking on a bit having seen the re-quote of Papa Lazarou:-

Originally Posted by Papa Lazarou
Snow machines, and large industrial freezer units stationed all round the site. Or, just build the bloody monorail - we all know it's the solution to all of this.

Does anyone have any idea of the likely cost (plus any allowances you like for inflation and overspend) of a monorail from say The Level to the Amex/universities? Perhaps the £1million plus to be spent on reconfiguring The Level would be better spent on a monorail terminus!

The Coalition government threatened to spend money on infrastructure projects - how far down the list would this monorail be? Are any EU grants or Lottery funding available for such projects?

PS I would not expect the monorail to be up and running for Boxing Day 2012 but wondered about a timescale if the money was available.

According to http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/light-rail/green-light-for-light-rail.pdf a 'light rail' scheme would cost ~£20million per mile.

 

[Official Old Man]

£19,999,997.00 You forgot to allow for our travel discount card.

 

[Peter Grummit]

And the rest. See below.

The problem is monorails are expensive because they run elevated on structures. And the land underneath them is effectively sterilised. Which either means no traffic on the Lewes Road in places or extensive property acquisition and demolition. They only really work in a city centre or new business district as a distributor of people. They don't work carrying large volumes of people in a linear corridor. That's what A TRAIN does best. Much more effective to upgrade the signalling and platform lengths of the existing rail line.

PG

Table 1.
Urban Monorails:
System installation Cost
Cost per Mile ($ Millions, 2002)


Chiba (Japan): Monorail (extension)
128.2

Jacksonville: Skyway (new)
81.1

Kitakyushu (Japan): Monorail (new)
205.9

Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) (new)
58.2

Las Vegas (LVMC Project, new)
166.7

Newark: Monorail AGT (new)
223.1

Okinawa (Japan): Monorail (new)
103.9


Average
138.2

[Sources: Capital Metro, Rapid Transit Project, ADraft B Milestone 2 Executive Summary: Urban Transit Vehicles@, 1 October 2001; Steve Arrington, Jacksonville Transportation Authority, 12 October 2001; Leroy Demery, Jr., May 2002; Monorail Malaysia, news release, 23 April 2001; Jacob Snow, AThe Las Vegas Monorail@, Monorail Society website, 2002/11/02. Calculations by LRP]

 

[Ernest]

Was looking at the train plans for Boxing Day and the only service running is the usual hourly service between Brighton and Victoria, nothing will be running to Falmer

 

[The Large One]

Was looking at the train plans for Boxing Day and the only service running is the usual hourly service between Brighton and Victoria, nothing will be running to Falmer

What would it take for the club - or anyone - to get a football service running from Brighton - Falmer - Lewes on Boxing Day? Aside from a wallet the size of Belgium?

 

[Ernest]

What would it take for the club - or anyone - to get a football service running from Brighton - Falmer - Lewes on Boxing Day? Aside from a wallet the size of Belgium?

A wallet the size of Germany !!! If they paid then it could be done, a shuttle service running from Bton - Lewes - Bton would not be a problem as long as there was no works scheduled by Network Rail

 

[Gazwag]

The problem is monorails are expensive because they run elevated on structures. And the land underneath them is effectively sterilised.

Quite clearly you are talking rubbish

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Was looking at the train plans for Boxing Day and the only service running is the usual hourly service between Brighton and Victoria, nothing will be running to Falmer

Out of interest what is the reason for this hourly Boxing Day service? Why do Southern provide this? It cannot be profitable surely. Why dont they just not bother like other parts of their servivice?

 

[8ace]

Out of interest what is the reason for this hourly Boxing Day service? Why do Southern provide this? It cannot be profitable surely. Why dont they just not bother like other parts of their servivice?

Maybe not a profit but less of a loss than paying the fine for not running at all.

 

[BensGrandad]

A wallet the size of Germany !!! If they paid then it could be done, a shuttle service running from Bton - Lewes - Bton would not be a problem as long as there was no works scheduled by Network Rail

What is the likelihood of this happening in your opinion.

 

[Djmiles]

If they're building a monorail, can they build a stop for us folk in Haywards Heath? I've paid for a bloody travel voucher after all

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Maybe not a profit but less of a loss than paying the fine for not running at all.

But this is part of my question. If this is the case why do they get a fine for say not running the Brighton-London route? Why is this route special so that the TOC has to run it? I guess it is designated a key route or something. If so what can be done to make the Brighton-Falmer route have the same status? What needs to change so that shifting punters to and from a stadium becomes part of their regular obligations as opposed to something special?

 

[8ace]

But this is part of my question. If this is the case why do they get a fine for say not running the Brighton-London route? Why is this route special so that the TOC has to run it? I guess it is designated a key route or something. If so what can be done to make the Brighton-Falmer route have the same status? What needs to change so that shifting punters to and from a stadium becomes part of their regular obligations as opposed to something special?

Make the fines bigger?
Who's the transport minister?

 

[John Boy]

But this is part of my question. If this is the case why do they get a fine for say not running the Brighton-London route? Why is this route special so that the TOC has to run it? I guess it is designated a key route or something. If so what can be done to make the Brighton-Falmer route have the same status? What needs to change so that shifting punters to and from a stadium becomes part of their regular obligations as opposed to something special?

The Brighton to London route stops at Gatwick Airport, so that could be the reason as there is always demand for that stop

 

[Ernest]

Out of interest what is the reason for this hourly Boxing Day service? Why do Southern provide this? It cannot be profitable surely. Why dont they just not bother like other parts of their servivice?

It is what is in the franchise agreement, a minimum service level is laid down. So if the DFT said run a full service on Boxing Day they would , the same they have said run a Saturday service on Bank Holidays instead of a Sunday service

 

[Ernest]

What is the likelihood of this happening in your opinion.

No chance whatsoever

 

[CliveWalkerWingWizard]

Do not know if this has been suggested but could we have extra car parks at:
Falmer school fields
Stanmer Park (the part which is used as a car park on busy summer days)
The Falmer- woodingdean road

Also think that an early KO may be a good idea- people can get home earlier

 

[Lord Bracknell]

The Brighton to London route stops at Gatwick Airport, so that could be the reason as there is always demand for that stop

... is the correct answer.