Noelia deniz on oscar worth a read

[Craven Wine]

Arguably OG only had choice on who played...

 

[Colossal Squid]

she stalks him and pretends to like football to get his attention.......not worth reading.

- he only had a squad worth £20m or so, and needed more £ - even tho burnley only spent £5 and walked it.

a manager needs to get a team to gel....OG couldn't do it.

Nail

On

Head


The woman is clearly besotted with the man and offers nothing at all here other than taking the easy option of blaming somebody else. To be quite honest it's a bit embarrassing

 

[MJsGhost]

Interesting, I feel bloom is caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to satisfying a managers budget requirements and Ffp, maybe he will have to risk financial penalties if we are ever to succeed in getting to the premier league, because there will always be teams with parachute money to compete with. Its a huge huge gamble though because failure could set us back years.

I do wish Oscar well, and bear him no grudges but he knew (or perhaps he was misled, if you believe what noelia is saying) the situation when he took the job

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter. Bloom may be a gambler, but a considered (and very successful) one.

I trust in him biding his time to get the infrastructure right and for the effects of FFP to kick in (wages plateau or fall) so he can make a bigger push (in terms of transfer/wages budget) for the premier league at the right time, without risking it all.

 

[Goldstone1976]

I just want TB to come out and say what the parameters are - are we going for it or not? That will just help me calibrate my expectations and stop all my anguish

But he has, at the start of the season!

We were going to try as hard as we can to get promoted within FFP constraints. He thought that top 2 was only an outside possibility, but that he wouldn't be happy with a finish below a playoff spot.

The problem is that many posters on NSC want him to spend on the team regardless in order to compete with teams with bigger budgets and don't like the fact that, to date, he's made it perfectly clear that he won't.

Now, it will be interesting to see if he changes his mind for next season. My betting is that he will not and will wait until FFP penalises the transgressors (always assuming that the FL enforce it, which they may well not do), levelling the playing field so that we are competitive financially somewhat, though we will never be on a level playing field with those sides that have parachute payments.

Beyond next season? Maybe, in several years' time, he will get fed up of the Championship and really go for it, and hang the consequences, but there is absolutely no sign that he's remotely thinking about it at the moment.

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Burn the witch

Have you seen her,I'd take her under my wing anytime.

 

[TonyW]

What;s the excuse for not fielding 2 strikers sunday and having already been beaten 3 times not changing shape style and tactic's....in a bid to change..........and give it a real go..

We were much the better team on the Thursday, why on earth would he suddenly abandon all his playing principles to lump the ball up to the big guy.

His mistake may have been moving Ward inside instead of moving Ince to CB and bringing Kemy on in CMF.
That would have kept us moving forward instead of being penned in for the rest of the game.

 

[TonyW]

I thought Stephens was a target although way down on the list, but I agree it was a the lack of backing in the transfer market that seems to have been the catalyst. Now if Tony already had doubts and did not want to give him money to spend in January as the results were nothing special we may never know..... Again....

Catch 22 though.

Results were not quite what we would have wanted because we had a huge injury crisis.
To solve the injury crisis OG probably wanted more players bringing in, Bloom says no because the results weren't that great.

Repeat to fade.......

 

[Birdie Boy]

I just want TB to come out and say what the parameters are - are we going for it or not? That will just help me calibrate my expectations and stop all my anguish

Oh, that will work, 23000 season tickets holders suddenly cancel when TB says "I'm not spending anymore money, there's no budget, we are sticking to FFP and the development squad can cover the losses of Kuszack, Upson, Andrews, et al!"

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Its obvious OG and the board fell out over transfers and player wages

OG politely told them he wanted to leave and the club don't want it to look like they are at fault (even if they are not)

Noelia is always going to be on Oscars side what did you expect her to say? Maybe she has said too much and OG may not be happy about this.

I've always suspected our finances don't meet the expectations of the fans and even perhaps what the board thought the Amex could bring, if you check my posts I've always said the matchday revenue wasn't enough to cover cost to finance a squad to reach and stay in the Prem.

OG going confirms Poyet was right about the ceiling and that the ceiling is still there.

TB is a rich man but whether he is rich enough or willing to gamble enough to buy promotion I can't say. I heard today that Randy Learner has spent £300M of his own money in the last 2 years trying to make Villa successful, has TB got £300M to risk? Even if he has rich people don't like losing that sort of money even if its within their pockets - they got rich by not losing that sort of money and I suspect TB is the sort of Guy that doesn't like losing £3000 let alone £3m of his families.

I think TB is happy to invest in Infrastructure, buildings and intellectual property for the club but unwilling to gamble it on Players and players wages which might expose him to unsustainable losses. The Amex has to bring in as much money as it can and the clubs finances must dictate how much we spend on players and their wages.

TB might be a fan but he isn't stupid to go and make himself bankrupt trying to make 4th place in the Prem unless there is a good chance of doing it.

 

[Albion Dan]

OG going confirms Poyet was right about the ceiling and that the ceiling is still there.

.

How did Burnley and Palace manage with their low ceiling?

 

[EastUpperSeagull]

Oh, that will work, 23000 season tickets holders suddenly cancel when TB says "I'm not spending anymore money, there's no budget, we are sticking to FFP and the development squad can cover the losses of Kuszack, Upson, Andrews, et al!"

Make that 22,999. I won't cancel.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

How did Burnley and Palace manage with their low ceiling?

I'm not saying you can't go up with a ceiling - just that some managers won't work with one

 

[glasfryn]

Its obvious OG and the board fell out over transfers and player wages

OG politely told them he wanted to leave and the club don't want it to look like they are at fault (even if they are not)

Noelia is always going to be on Oscars side what did you expect her to say? Maybe she has said too much and OG may not be happy about this.

I've always suspected our finances don't meet the expectations of the fans and even perhaps what the board thought the Amex could bring, if you check my posts I've always said the matchday revenue wasn't enough to cover cost to finance a squad to reach and stay in the Prem.

OG going confirms Poyet was right about the ceiling and that the ceiling is still there.

TB is a rich man but whether he is rich enough or willing to gamble enough to buy promotion I can't say. I heard today that Randy Learner has spent £300M of his own money in the last 2 years trying to make Villa successful, has TB got £300M to risk? Even if he has rich people don't like losing that sort of money even if its within their pockets - they got rich by not losing that sort of money and I suspect TB is the sort of Guy that doesn't like losing £3000 let alone £3m of his families.

I think TB is happy to invest in Infrastructure, buildings and intellectual property for the club but unwilling to gamble it on Players and players wages which might expose him to unsustainable losses. The Amex has to bring in as much money as it can and the clubs finances must dictate how much we spend on players and their wages.

TB might be a fan but he isn't stupid to go and make himself bankrupt trying to make 4th place in the Prem unless there is a good chance of doing it.

STUPENDOUS POST
nail on the bleeding head
and I will go back to the hunch that I had that Tony will sell if things get to jiggy and the fans actually want to go up
the hope is that we could stay within FFP and go up with a young team and sustain a long stay with those players and not have to sell ...job done


but get a move on I can't wait much longer

 

[Pavilionaire]

I think the Noelia Deniz statement fits in with what we already know but gives it a little more focus.

The key is how decisions were arrived at in the January window and what factors shaped those decisions.

 

[Husty]

We were much the better team on the Thursday, why on earth would he suddenly abandon all his playing principles to lump the ball up to the big guy.

His mistake may have been moving Ward inside instead of moving Ince to CB and bringing Kemy on in CMF.
That would have kept us moving forward instead of being penned in for the rest of the game.

our PROBLEM is idiots like YOU who think the ONLY alternative to our "STYLE" of play is to play big SAM HOOFball.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

I think the Noelia Deniz statement fits in with what we already know but gives it a little more focus.

The key is how decisions were arrived at in the January window and what factors shaped those decisions.

January

OG - Ok I have worked with the squad and whilst we have some good players I need these six experienced players to get us promotion until we can find players from the development squad.

TB - We can't afford the wages for these players just yet, can't you bring in some loans and bring the development squad through quicker.

OG - Not if you want promotion this year or next, I need experienced players and they want big wages.

TB - We havent got the budget for that, You and Nathan go through the agents and find some players that can do the job but the wage bill is XXXXX

OG - Thats not enough I can't work with that

TB - Its all we can afford you have too

OG - Its too much to ask of me - you find the players on that budget but I'm off if I don't get a realistic amount

TB - OK

 

[burnee54]

Sounds about right, we failed to meet his conditions and left him to the donkey work. We did not fulfill our side of the bargain.

This.
I for one am very sorry to see him go. He was the real deal in my opinion.
I believe in a few years the board (or whoever is responsible for pissing him off) will rue this day.

Good luck Oscar. buena suerte.

 

[Woodchip]

Because "Finally, I would like to thank Tony Bloom for his support; and especially Paul Barber, for his support;" would be a particularly crap sentence to write? He dealt with Paul Barber on a day-by-day basis, I would assume, and if PB was giving him support, surely that support would have come via TB?

This man, he speaks sense.

It's clearly Tony isn't involved in the day to day running of the club, so can't provide much support.

Whoever Noelia is needs to extract her head from Oscar's ass and see the real world.

 

[Doc Lynam]

Its obvious OG and the board fell out over transfers and player wages

OG politely told them he wanted to leave and the club don't want it to look like they are at fault (even if they are not)

Noelia is always going to be on Oscars side what did you expect her to say? Maybe she has said too much and OG may not be happy about this.

I've always suspected our finances don't meet the expectations of the fans and even perhaps what the board thought the Amex could bring, if you check my posts I've always said the matchday revenue wasn't enough to cover cost to finance a squad to reach and stay in the Prem.

OG going confirms Poyet was right about the ceiling and that the ceiling is still there.

TB is a rich man but whether he is rich enough or willing to gamble enough to buy promotion I can't say. I heard today that Randy Learner has spent £300M of his own money in the last 2 years trying to make Villa successful, has TB got £300M to risk? Even if he has rich people don't like losing that sort of money even if its within their pockets - they got rich by not losing that sort of money and I suspect TB is the sort of Guy that doesn't like losing £3000 let alone £3m of his families.

I think TB is happy to invest in Infrastructure, buildings and intellectual property for the club but unwilling to gamble it on Players and players wages which might expose him to unsustainable losses. The Amex has to bring in as much money as it can and the clubs finances must dictate how much we spend on players and their wages.

TB might be a fan but he isn't stupid to go and make himself bankrupt trying to make 4th place in the Prem unless there is a good chance of doing it.

Yep that just about covers it all for me as well. Long live a financially stable BHA.

 

[GreersElbow]

she stalks him and pretends to like football to get his attention.......not worth reading.

Like majority of the shit including the conspiracy theories you spout as cold hard fact, huh?