[Help] No Right Turn Offence

[Stat Brother]

"The Good Lady Bodian". I shall pass that on, she'll like that!

It's lucky for both of us then that I didn't use my normal reference.

I'll hazard a guess Old Ma Bodian would be less than impressed.

 

[junior]

I expect she was most likely given a Traffic Offence Report (TOR). I think that's probably what some on here are referring to as a FPN.

As part of issuing a TOR she'll have been informed that she was being reported for the offence and read the 'Now' caution. You do not have to say anything etc..., after all she might have a defence she wanted to mention...

My understanding is when the TOR comes through the post she can then either accept the fine, driver awareness course etc, or not accept it and go to court. That's where the caution comes in. "if you do not mention something you later rely on in court...". So if she choses to go to court and give a defence (someone was holding a gun to my head, my steering snapped etc) the court will ask why she did not give that information at the time of the offence, and may draw an adverse inference.

That story above about the anpr camera and the letter through the post, i suspect that might be Local Authority and not a police Traffic Offence Report, so be wary about basing her possible enforcement on that information.

 

[DavidRyder]

Whatever the outcome, don't let her dwell on it, just enjoy the run up to Christmas. I'm sure they'll be lenient anyway.

 

[Dave the hatosaurus]

Whatever the outcome, don't let her dwell on it, just enjoy the run up to Christmas. I'm sure they'll be lenient anyway.

Definitely this !
And then maybe buy her a copy of the highway code as a stocking filler if you have the nerve !

 

[happypig]

Thanks

Were you a magistrate / JP? Must have been interesting.

1. Yes, 2005-2015
2. from 2005-2014

 

[B-right-on]

That story above about the anpr camera and the letter through the post, i suspect that might be Local Authority and not a police Traffic Offence Report, so be wary about basing her possible enforcement on that information.

As I said in the post, the fine was from the council, I'm sure.

I'm no expert on this at all, but wouldn't the rules and therefore the penalty be the same if you were caught doing the same 'illegal' activity by the police as by a traffic warden?

Is the penalty for parking on double yellows the same if you get done by the old bill as you would by a traffic warden?

 

[The Fifth Column]

I expect she was most likely given a Traffic Offence Report (TOR). I think that's probably what some on here are referring to as a FPN.

As part of issuing a TOR she'll have been informed that she was being reported for the offence and read the 'Now' caution. You do not have to say anything etc..., after all she might have a defence she wanted to mention...

My understanding is when the TOR comes through the post she can then either accept the fine, driver awareness course etc, or not accept it and go to court. That's where the caution comes in. "if you do not mention something you later rely on in court...". So if she choses to go to court and give a defence (someone was holding a gun to my head, my steering snapped etc) the court will ask why she did not give that information at the time of the offence, and may draw an adverse inference.

That story above about the anpr camera and the letter through the post, i suspect that might be Local Authority and not a police Traffic Offence Report, so be wary about basing her possible enforcement on that information.

There are a lot less traffic fixed penalty notices issued these days, a lot of minor offences have been replaced by issuing TORs as detailed above. These are effectively a report sent to the Central ticket and Summons unit at Shoreham who then review it and decide on how to proceed.For very minor offences and first offences I think it unlikely you'll be prosecuted for contravening a no right turn, probably be a fine at worst. The reason you are cautioned at the roadside is to comply with the law letting you know you will be considered for prosecution, it doesn't mean you will be just that it's a consideration.

 

[Bodian]

I expect she was most likely given a Traffic Offence Report (TOR). I think that's probably what some on here are referring to as a FPN.

As part of issuing a TOR she'll have been informed that she was being reported for the offence and read the 'Now' caution. You do not have to say anything etc..., after all she might have a defence she wanted to mention...

My understanding is when the TOR comes through the post she can then either accept the fine, driver awareness course etc, or not accept it and go to court. That's where the caution comes in. "if you do not mention something you later rely on in court...". So if she choses to go to court and give a defence (someone was holding a gun to my head, my steering snapped etc) the court will ask why she did not give that information at the time of the offence, and may draw an adverse inference.

That story above about the anpr camera and the letter through the post, i suspect that might be Local Authority and not a police Traffic Offence Report, so be wary about basing her possible enforcement on that information.

There are a lot less traffic fixed penalty notices issued these days, a lot of minor offences have been replaced by issuing TORs as detailed above. These are effectively a report sent to the Central ticket and Summons unit at Shoreham who then review it and decide on how to proceed.For very minor offences and first offences I think it unlikely you'll be prosecuted for contravening a no right turn, probably be a fine at worst. The reason you are cautioned at the roadside is to comply with the law letting you know you will be considered for prosecution, it doesn't mean you will be just that it's a consideration.

Thanks for these. Yes, from her rather shocked and garbled description of what happened - this seems the most likely scenario. He specifically asked her if she wanted to say anything, and she said 'I'm shaking - I've never been stopped before!' I shall pay her fine as her Christmas present....

 

[happypig]

I shall pay her fine as her Christmas present....

All of it ? Crikey, she hit the motherlode when she bagged you.

 

[Bodian]

In the post today - £50 fine, no points.

Thanks for all your re-assurance.

 

[vegster]

Under provisions of the 2 new bills that have gone through Parliament recently,the Police act and the Nationality and Borders bill they will be round to deport her Christmas morning.

No appeal.

Happy Christmas.

He'll need to get one of them nice Ninja Air Fryer things in smartish then?

 

[Is it PotG?]

 

[vegster]

My wife was stopped by the Police today for contravening a no right turn sign (it's a relatively new thing - been there since September relating to some large scale roadworks, first time we've been there since). She had to show her licence and was cautioned 'anything you may say, etc' - and the Police left her with 'you'll be hearing from us in due course - could be a fine, could be court'.

I can't quite work out the penalty / process. Seems a bit excessive to threaten court proceedings?

Anyone been through it?

Incidentally, there are major road works on the A259 at Angmering with has required blocking right turns Westbound in to the big Haskins garden centre. Originally they just put a No Right Turn sign up, which was regularly ignored. Then they tried to cone the entrance so it was almost impossible to swing round and do the illegal right turn.... People still turned right although they had to swing out and sometimes knock a few cones over.

Then we got a second No Right Turn sign and a helpful yellow sign showing that Right Turns should go 200m up the road, go around the roundabout and then come back and turn left in to Haskins safely....widely ignored of course...now they have put a camera on a pole and put a couple of camera signs alongside all the others.. it still gets ignored .. I got a look of bafflement when I stopped Eastbound to try to prevent a woman from breaking the law in her Range Rover by crossing the carriageway.. Was it there where Mrs B got pulled?