No poppies on the shirt !

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Live and let live. Who wants to be part of a culture where people are shamed into wearing something.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

At the end of the day, if somebody doesn't want to remember or show support for what those soldiers have done for us, there is no amount of shouting or persuasion that's going to change their minds.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

You're a policewoman, I presume you're British , its known as Londonderry by British people, on second thoughts I'm not surprised, you come across as the sort of copper that's wants to be more of a social worker than someone who's interested in nicking toerags.

Why not do a quick search on NSC for "the Londonderry Pele", while you're here?

On second thoughts I'm not surprised you haven't thought of that though, you come across as the sort of comedy caricature of an old Chelsea fan who wakes up every morning and is disappointed to find it's not still 1982.

"Toerags"

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Did they observe it?

No idea, it was sort of an assumption that they would (or at least that the club would: I've no doubt there is an element amongst their fans who wouldn't).

 

[keaton]

I've not trawled through all this but did Celtic have any players or staff that lost their lives in the wars? They surely must have had supporters who did so wouldn't it have been better to go with the national spirit of remembrance rather than make the gesture not too?

But are they making a gesture or not or are all the other clubs making a gesture of wearing one?

 

[Paskman]

http://www.celticfc.net/news/7039

This - all a storm in a teacup.

 

[Hastings gull]

Wigans james mcclean wrote a letter to his board saying why as an irishman hr wouldnt wear a poppy its in the independent online and was very interesting and explain why he eouldnt wear it. I personally dont wear on I understand theae men died but feel especially the first world war the leaders of this country treated human life with so little care poppy day now seems to glorify this aswell as most recent wars which I object to. These men/women today choose to be trained as killers and then go out and kill get hurt and then come back expecting to be heroes.

Ironically people will no doubt come on here saying "they died for your freedom" but dont understand when someone exercises their fight of freedom NOT to wear one.

Do you not feel that that this statement is just that shade simplistic? I think your point may be valid for 1914, when experience of war fought on an industrial scale was limited, and so thousands volunteered to bash the hun, or whatever,and be home for Xmas. Could that also be said for those then conscripted in 1916, or more so for those conscripted to fight against Hitler? Most soldiers on every side in the world wars did not choose to "be trained as killers," as you put it.
You are right in that the leaders did seem to treat human life with little care, with repeated orders given for suicidal frontal charges, but I can't see how you can then link it to glorification of war on poppy day. It is always a sombre occasion with emphasis on remembering those who died - perhaps immediately after WW1, when memories were raw, there may have been a jingoistic element to the day, but I really don't feel that you can say that now.
I do agree that the folk who say they died for our freedom should not then moan when others exercise their right NOT to wear one -there is an inconsistency. You can choose not to wear one and still care -they are not mutually exclusive.

 

[User removed 4]

Why not do a quick search on NSC for "the Londonderry Pele", while you're here?

On second thoughts I'm not surprised you haven't thought of that though, you come across as the sort of comedy caricature of an old Chelsea fan who wakes up every morning and is disappointed to find it's not still 1982.

"Toerags"

toe rags is a word in common use in London , but I wouldn't expect a provincial copper who spends her time investigating thefts from the WI collection tin to know that , oops sorry , you're a dynamic crime fighter who has a job every bit as demanding as the MET , as you've been at great pains to stress before

 

[Lady Whistledown]

toe rags is a word in common use in London , but I wouldn't expect a provincial copper who spends her time investigating thefts from the WI collection tin to know that , oops sorry , you're a dynamic crime fighter who has a job every bit as demanding as the MET , as you've been at great pains to stress before

You're so funny

I know what toerags means. And "slaaaags".

Can't believe you're deriding the WI though. They did their bit during the war too. Harsh.

 

[Return of the Rev]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_Victoria_Cross_recipients

 

[fat old seagull]

Not really the same as engaging in the endless merry-go-round of emotive, pseudo-political threads, debated on here for days on end at a time though is it? What are people hoping to achieve? What is the personal payoff for them? In person I could understand it...

That's not for us to question. Posters on here are free spirits, if they have time to spare or think they may feel better getting something off their chests fine. I probably post my good share of crap, and I might not agree with some folk but I do respect their right to post......Same goes for wearing poppies, I don't agree with abstainers, but again their choice.

 

[The Spanish]

http://www.celticfc.net/news/7039

they still have a problem that needs dealing with. vociferous minorities can still dictate the mood, and get people to if not condone, tolerate behaviour they might ordinarily object to.

you dont see many people challenging the incidents where they have booed servicemen or disrupted commemorations.

i hear there was a lot of pressure put on people to vote 'yes' in the referendum by similar groups, voting no being perceived as not the done thing. A lot of people have fallen out over this.

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

Do me a favour, the majority of people in ww2 fought to stop us being invaded by the Germans, no more, no less, I don't buy any of your mealy mouthed crap why you don't wear a poppy, what is so wrong with SHOWING you care and are remembering ?

Bushy:That quote is from gregbrighton not me----but I forgive you

What's going on with all the misquotes? 31# 60#

 

[User removed 4]

Bushy:That quote is from gregbrighton not me----but I forgive you

What's going on with all the misquotes? 30# 60#

I know mate I didn't misquote you , not sure what's going on.

 

[Creaky]

Posted by bushy

Do me a favour, the majority of people in ww2 fought to stop us being invaded by the Germans, no more, no less, I don't buy any of your mealy mouthed crap why you don't wear a poppy, what is so wrong with SHOWING you care and are remembering ?

Absolutely nothing wrong with showing you care and remember those who died. Nothing wrong with wearing a Marie Curie daffodil or any of the multitude of other charity symbols either.

On the other hand there is NOTHING wrong with not giving a public demonstration of your feelings or charitable donations - in many ways private remembrance and support is much more meaningful.

The fairly recent phenomenon of public demonstrations of personal feelings, (eg Diana's funeral, flowers at the scene of accidents etc), in my opinion reduces the sincerity of an individuals feelings.

 

[London Irish]

It's disgusting, isn't it?! I mean, what on earth did those men and women die for in world war 2? If people are expressing their political opinions, it's time to open up concentration camps and exterminate them for having a different view.

LOL - things have come so far in this Poppy taliban campaign that even Al Murray the Pub Landlord made that joke at a comedy gig yesterday.

 

[London Irish]

This among the many programmes the BBC are not showing, including the Monocled Mutineer, Testament of Youth etc etc

 

[sully]

Remembrance ceremonies should in my opinion be a civilian affair - by all means include veterans remembering their fallen comrades but there is no need for an overt military presence at such events.

It's the religious content that I don't understand. It should just be a remembrance service for all. I don't feel the need to thank God for anything as part of it.

By the way, it looks from the photos in the paper today that Sunderland didn't have poppies on their shirts. Just saying, like.

 

[desprateseagull]

Wearing poppies, or any other charity emblem, should be a PERSONAL choice.

 

[LA1972]

Live and let live. Who wants to be part of a culture where people are shamed into wearing something.

Like a white feather