No Direct Millitary action against IS

[Chicken Run]

And the Greens being returned in Brighton and predictions of massive civil disobedience at the very recent anti-austerity demo and Russell Brand inspiring millions in the UK to change the way they think and Syriza leading a charge across the whole of Europe against austerity for a hard-left alliance and a whole host of other ones that I forget about. You also last week predicted a stunning success for Syriza in their negotiations with Troika creditors and you've backed Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour leadership elections.

NSC's very own Ancient Mariner.

Nsc's very own Uncle Albert I suggest.

 

[Buzzer]

...and you're my very own troll.

You know full well I didn't say most of those things - but I'm not going to bite.

Greens being returned in Brighton:

This. By far the best council in living memory... the proof is in the pudding, the rate of regeneration of this city since they have been in charge has been unprecedented.

Then of course there is a phenomenal MP in Caroline Lucas.

You can see their support all over the city - there is absolutely no way that Greens will be voted out, thankfully.

Russell Brand:

He's not urging "us" to do anything, but rather his one million subscribers, who are typically under 25 student types - this is a massive coup for Miliband.

It's definitely a better piece of advice than telling his young followers to not to vote at all, the last thing we want is another five years of this despicable conservative government.

Massive civil disobedience at anti-austerity demo:

A non-story really, more of a flash mob than a protest. June 20th is the big one however.

Although as the bleak realities of this government start to kick in, I predict the civil unrest will be at a level unprecedented for generations over the coming years.

Syriza's 'deal':

Greece is playing this better than people are giving it credit for - it is a country with nothing to lose - it is already half the way there to being self-sufficient.

It is a country that is not going to accept anything other than an exceptional deal - and I predict that is exactly what it will get.

Syriza election:

Great news for Europe. Huge middle finger up to the EU. Could this be the beginning of a socialist revolution, as more countries follow suit and opt to vote in left wing parliaments?

Have I forgotten anything?

 

[Brighton TID]

ISIS are funded by profits from selling oil to the tune of millions. Whoever is buying the oil off them is in effect paying for their army. ISIS pay their 'soldiers' a regular wage.

Surely we need to cut off their funding at source by dealing with this whole buying and selling of oil. Target the refineries, and the transportation out of them. How difficult can this be? Satallites must show where the refineries are located.

 

[Buzzer]

The rest of those comments I made still remain pretty valid.

Eh? Brand - wrong. Civil disobedience at the anti-austerity march - wrong, Syriza carving out a good deal - wrong, huge support for hard-left socialist parties throughout Europe - at best Spain may go that way, the rest? wrong.

Thanks for taking the time to research my posts though - I do appreciate it

Took 5 minutes, I've a pretty good memory so finding them was no bother.

this is entirely irrelevant to the thread, which should be kept on topic.

You're making predictions about politics and society. Your track record on this is very pertinent.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

ISIS are funded by profits from selling oil to the tune of millions. Whoever is buying the oil off them is in effect paying for their army. ISIS pay their 'soldiers' a regular wage.

Surely we need to cut off their funding at source by dealing with this whole buying and selling of oil. Target the refineries, and the transportation out of them. How difficult can this be? Satallites must show where the refineries are located.

That is an excellent point. Perhaps we (the west) won't bomb the refineries for fear that a future income source for our companies will be lost?

 

[daveinprague]

In a bizarre twist, I read over the weekend, that ISIS sells oil to the Syrians!

 

[Nibble]

I would imagine intelligence gathering is the most important thing that can be done at the moment before boots on the ground is even an option. Let's just hope no more tragedy occurs in the meantime.

 

[Buzzer]

You're like a child, I'm not doing this.

Now behave, you troll.

'Behave'? 'Child'? - If I'm trolling then you should report me to the mods seeing as that's forbidden but we both know that your accusations are just a desperate deflection. I've backed up what I've written with proof. - it's what grown-ups do in a debate, they don't play the victim card. So please, pretty please - go ahead and report me and see what the powers that be say.

 

[beorhthelm]

I wonder if people remember several years ago, when Britain was aiding and militarising The Free Syrian Army, when I warned against it, as we were both inadvertently and directly militarising pre-ISIS Jihadist rebels at that time.
...
Additionally, I predicted that if Gaddafi was ousted from power, then the country would descend into civil war. I said it was a country that needed a strong and secular leader - and I was right about that too.

what a load of self-aggrandising guff. when providing military aid (a meager amount there was) to the Free Syrian Army, you were just being an Assad apologist, arguing that he wasn't really dropping chemicals. likewise, Gaddafi fell as a result of civil war, and you couldn't claim to foresee that the tentative peace that followed would not last. its difficult to remember things that didn't happen.

 

[Surf's Up]

No, they're not. What a terrifying world you must live in.

ISIS is very much confined to the Middle East, specifically Iraq and Syria - Jihadist converts are leaving Western countries to fight there.

We really do need to restore peace in Syria as it is the epicentre of it all. It's infuriating how catastrophic Western foreign policy has been, however it's not too late to adopt "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" doctrine and work with Assad to defeat ISIS.

Sorry mate, but as is often the case on anything muslim, youve got it wrong again. Sure some "radicalised" young UK muslims are going out to join ISIS but you are deluding yourself if you dont think there are plenty left behind and there WILL be further attacks within the UK and ISIS will be responsible for these attacks, if only because its done in the name of ISIS. Thats the nature of the beast, radicalised muslims in the UK dont have to be card carrying members of ISIS to committ attrocities in the name of IS.

 

[glasfryn]

Sorry mate, but as is often the case on anything muslim, youve got it wrong again. Sure some "radicalised" young UK muslims are going out to join ISIS but you are deluding yourself if you dont think there are plenty left behind and there WILL be further attacks within the UK and ISIS will be responsible for these attacks, if only because its done in the name of ISIS. Thats the nature of the beast, radicalised muslims in the UK dont have to be card carrying members of ISIS to committ attrocities in the name of IS.

absolutely this
maybe we should close down all social media as that seems to be the method of communication used

 

[glasfryn]

That wasn't my argument with the FSA - I was by no means an Assad or Gaddafi apologist - I believed that strong secular leaders, despite the atrocities they may have been committing, were preferable to an Islamist civil war, what we have today. My fear at the time was that it would descend into a Saddam/Iraq scenario, although I could never have predicted ISIS.

Giving millions of pounds of taxpayers money including aid and weapons to the Jihadists was an obvious mistake, as I pointed out at the time. The UN authorised air campaign against Gaddafi was a disaster, Libya is now on its knees, with considerably worse human rights conditions than under Gaddafi. In the end we didn't go to war with Syria over alleged chemical weapons, but the scenario we have now is possibly just as bad, if not worse.

It's a terrible situation - Western foreign policy in the Middle East has at the very least exacerbated violent Jihadism over the last 15 years. My fear today is that world governments will continue to make catastrophic decisions like these.

they made a terrible decision in 1914/15 when Column "D" marched on Basra ..............maybe that when it all started?

 

[Pavilionaire]

This is not a war that will be won by military victory but by gradually wearing Islamic State down via a combination of factors. If they are deprived of money from the oil, if there is more Middle Eastern co-operation to halt the IS advance, if the air strikes continue then there will be a decline in IS morale and battle fatigue will start to take its toll.

The IS army will then be forced to retreat and more and more will desert. At that point other Middle Eastern powers need to step in and shape the politics of the region. The likes of Turkey, Saudi, the Emirates, Iraq and Iran need to drive the change, while the West must let them sort it out whilst coming down hard on splinter activity outside of the Middle East.

 

[daveinprague]

I think the only people capable of a sustained and winnable fight against IS is Iran, and even then it will be ugly. Shias and oil seem to be the prime targets in Iraq.

 

[alfredmizen]

I think the only people capable of a sustained and winnable fight against IS is Iran, and even then it will be ugly. Shias and oil seem to be the prime targets in Iraq.

Ok, can you let us all know how or why the military genius that is daveinprague arrived at this conclusion ?

 

[matthew]

Well they're billionaire terrorists and the US and others make a lot of money selling weapons to them...

 

[daveinprague]

Ok, can you let us all know how or why the military genius that is daveinprague arrived at this conclusion ?

and then offer a bushy post that adds anything to the thread....no...cant find one.

A) Logistics. They are next door.
B) A willingness to fight ISIS, as Shia's are IS targets.
C) Air Power and land resources..
D) The west appear to have no intention.
E) The Iraqi army is shit.

Anything else?

 

[alfredmizen]

and then offer a bushy post that adds anything to the thread....no...cant find one.

A) Logistics. They are next door.
B) A willingness to fight ISIS, as they are IS targets.
C) Air Power.
D) The west appear to have no intention.

Anything else?

yes, point A.) so are Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt
Point B.) so is the rest of the Middle East
Point C.) can you be more specific as to how Iranian air power is more impressive than that of Jordan, Saudi and Egypt ? Otherwise I and the rest of the board might think you're posting supposition which is complete bollocks as usual, I'm still laughing at the time when you talked about iraq's Sunni majority , great regional expert that you are

 

[daveinprague]

yes, point A.) so are Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt
Point B.) so is the rest of the Middle East
Point C.) can you be more specific as to how Iranian air power is more impressive than that of Jordan, Saudi and Egypt ? Otherwise I and the rest of the board might think you're posting supposition which is complete bollocks as usual, I'm still laughing at the time when you talked about iraq's Sunni majority , great regional expert that you are

I still laugh about you telling me IS was a piddling little group.

Jordans massive airforce?
Saudi's ..please... they are struggling against the Yemen Shia rebels, with many allegations of financing IS on some levels.
Egypt? They have IS on two of their borders. They will be involved soon enough.
So, where are all these middle eastern countries armies in the fight against IS?
Iranians have troops on the ground, which other countries do?

I see your playing to a crowd? haha..you ****ing imbecile.

Try adding something to the thread
rather than, in your words earlier in the thread 'sniping from the sidelines'....and adding **** all.

 

[alfredmizen]

I still laugh about you telling me IS was a piddling little group.

Jordans massive airforce?
Saudi's ..please... they are struggling against the Yemen Shia rebels, with many allegations of financing IS on some levels.
Egypt? They have IS on two of their borders. They will be involved soon enough.
So, were are all these middle eastern countries armies in the fight against IS?
Iranians have troops on the ground, which other countries do?

I see your playing to a crowd? haha..you ****ing imbecile.

Try adding something to the thread
rather than, in your words earlier in the thread 'sniping from the sidelines'....and adding **** all.

Ah, as i thought, you cant answer as your post was indeed a lot of supposition and complete bollocks, The saudis have a large modern air force as do the egyptians , as for my comment about ISIS , I said that any half decent army would go through them like a dose of salts, not at any time did i refer to them as ''a piddling little group'', youre a clown , who constantly reinforces my opinion through your childish style of posting, perhaps i should a '' ha ha'' to my post to make you feel more at home ?