[Football] No crowds - advantage away side

[GOM]

Short term and small sample but early evidence from the Bundesliga is showing that playing in empty stadiums could favour the away team.

Now if this is true, how will this affect our run in?

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ue-restart-will-not-be-football-as-we-know-it

I think you have kinda of answered your own question really? The sample size is so small currently as to be irrelevant. If anything it will probably help us as the Amex is not the most intimidating of grounds is it? I do wonder though if one of the eventually relegated teams tries to use it to argue their relegation is invalid?

Playing out the remainder of the season in these circumstances is not fair, but given the alternatives I think it is the best of a bad job. PPG weighted or otherwise would definitely have been challenged in court IMO.

First sentence was a statement, the second a question that I'm fairly sure I didn't answer.

Yes the sample size is small, which is why I asked IF this is true......

Just because it's a small sample doesn't mean it can't point in the right direction, after all many a time we see an early leader stay in front. (Eurovision ? lol)

 

[el punal]

Short term and small sample but early evidence from the Bundesliga is showing that playing in empty stadiums could favour the away team.

Now if this is true, how will this affect our run in?

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ue-restart-will-not-be-football-as-we-know-it

For home games Graham Potter’s team talk will be easy - “Listen lads, just play like its the 85th minute as per normal as no one will be there.”

 

[Stat Brother]

Quite a few players actually play to the crowd and either thrive on it or disappear off the pitch when a bad pass is met with a collective crowd groan , players like Knockaert , Bissouma , Schelotto , are good examples of crowd player interaction

We have enough experienced players to cope with no fans and it shouldn't be used as any reason for our results , good or bad , it's the same for every team .

There's a chance we might actually see a version of Solly March who doesn't look petrified most of the time.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Going to be so nice when the players stroll out to SbtS without the frenetic seal clapping.

Just the music......aaaahhhhhhhhhh.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

On a similar theme I've been thinking about whether our style of play will benefit us once we start playing again.

It's based on ball possession and slowly wearing down the opposition. Bearing in mind our opponents won't be match fit for the first four or so games will these allow us to go on and win games in the last 20 minutes or so?

We've seen plenty of times players come off the bench under Potter and have a big impact on the match, something that is at least in part down to the relative fatigue of the opposition playing the majority of the game without the ball. So in theory if that happened against match fit teams then it should happen even more against unfit teams, even with factoring in our own lack of match fitness.

 

[Seasidesage]

First sentence was a statement, the second a question that I'm fairly sure I didn't answer.

Yes the sample size is small, which is why I asked IF this is true......

Just because it's a small sample doesn't mean it can't point in the right direction, after all many a time we see an early leader stay in front. (Eurovision ? lol)

I hear you. But we just can't tell and it would take about a seasons worth of data to really be sure? As others have said home advantage stats have been falling for some time. Add the small sample size to the list of big clubs visiting and I don't think you can read anything into it. at least not now.

I'm not sure envoking Eurovision helps much but it did make me laugh

We could finish the season by having all of the clubs squads prepare and sing a song with votes cast via Zoom or some such. Each player to choose an instrument...

 

[pasty]

Going to be so nice when the players stroll out to SbtS without the frenetic seal clapping.

Just the music......aaaahhhhhhhhhh.

It's a constant cause of both amusement and annoyance to me, the number of people around where I sit who seem completely and utterly incapable of clapping along in time with the music.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Surely, at the moment, it is the BETTER teams that are winning in Germany, rather than the away ones. At least in general on a small sample size

As nothing more than gut instinct I'd rather play at Burnley without their home fans than with, and we'll probably need a result.

 

[Is it PotG?]

As nothing more than gut instinct I'd rather play at Burnley without their home fans than with, and we'll probably need a result.

Barnes.....90th minute.

 

[Silverhatch]

Still think it’s a waste of time playing these games without fans. Surely the players get more of a buzz home or away in front of 30000 plus crowds. So don’t really see an advantage either way.

There was a good article from a sports psychologist (can't bloody find it now) which in summary said that in empty stadiums the gifted, but often introverted players, who are much more likely to hide when the pressure's on, thrive when they can just play without the crowd on their backs. The players that NEED the audience, and the pressure, struggle with no extra stimulus and there is a cohort at every club (the solid pros) who perform whatever the environment. It went onto say that clubs profile all player's personalities and will know which players fall into which group!

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I think you have kinda of answered your own question really? The sample size is so small currently as to be irrelevant. If anything it will probably help us as the Amex is not the most intimidating of grounds is it? I do wonder though if one of the eventually relegated teams tries to use it to argue their relegation is invalid?

Playing out the remainder of the season in these circumstances is not fair, but given the alternatives I think it is the best of a bad job. PPG weighted or otherwise would definitely have been challenged in court IMO.

I have always felt since the Amex opened that we lack that really intense atmosphere because our singing section. i.e the North Stand is relatively small and shallow compared to other parts of the ground. I sit near the half way line in WSL and I can barely hear that stand. The only time it really gets going is when noise is rolling down from WSU and everyone joins in. The grounds with a more vibrant atmosphere tend to have a large ' kop ' behind the goal and that stand can be heard all round the ground. Tottenham's new ground being a prime example.
I know our hands were tied in building the stadium but it is still a disappointment to me that the North stand is so small and as such generates much less noise than it could.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I know our hands were tied in building the stadium but it is still a disappointment to me that the North stand is so small and as such generates much less noise than it could.

As much to with unity and less separate groups as size imho.

The rare occasions where one song goes, it does sound decent.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

No advantage either way IMHO. It's basically shirts v skins. An armchair fan might like to go with the money, but I've seen Pogba look distinctly ordinaire any time he's ever been at the Amex. Only players I ever saw live up to the hype were Eden Hazard and Ginger Kev DeBruyne

 

[Mo Gosfield]

As much to with unity and less separate groups than size imho.

Ok...so are you suggesting that the North Stand is made up of too many disparate groups and if they ' unified ' there would be more of a wall of sound as opposed to pockets, here and there? If so, why is there not more unity? ( Too many chiefs and not enough indians? )

 

[Is it PotG?]

Ok...so are you suggesting that the North Stand is made up of too many disparate groups and if they ' unified ' there would be more of a wall of sound as opposed to pockets, here and there? If so, why is there not more unity? ( Too many chiefs and not enough indians? )

That's how it appears, but yes I do feel it would be improved by unity.

As to why, no idea, not my area of the stadium.

 

[Justice]

Newcastle arguing about a neutral venue saying Brighton is to far to travel under the current restrictions.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

That's how it appears, but yes I do feel it would be improved by unity.

As to why, no idea, not my area of the stadium.

Bit similar to Wolves, when the away fans get all one side, lower tier. You get three different lots of singing at the same time and sometimes, three different songs.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Newcastle arguing about a neutral venue saying Brighton is to far to travel under the current restrictions.

So I assume their game at the Vitality comes into the same category. Guess we feel the same about Turf Moor.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Newcastle arguing about a neutral venue saying Brighton is to far to travel under the current restrictions.

Northerners are wimps!

 

[neilbard]

Having quickly skimmed through the results it looks like most the away wins came from teams that were favourites.. You'll need more than 4 rounds of games to make any judgement.

This. Plenty of good theory and evidence about why home advantage exists without a noisy, partisan, crowd influence.

Arsenal
Man Utd
Liverpool
Man City

All will be favourites against us.