No country that does this is civilised, IMHO

[Uncle Spielberg]

And the Redneck states of the America's

 

[surrey jim]

I find it upsetting that we don't have the death penalty over here. Tell me what other sentence these two deserve?

Scum

as much as i would like to have theese people dead it is also an easy way out, they die quickly and painlessly whereas the poor girl has this over her for the rest of her life

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

I'm not a fan of the death penalty, neither am I fan of life imprisonment, both IMHO are inhumane.

Not a fan of the death penalty, but don't really see anything wrong about life imprisonment. Prison sentences can't just be abouit rehabilitation, there has to be a punitive part to the sentence and that should depend on just how bad you;ve been.

 

[Lammy]

Not a fan of the death penalty, but don't really see anything wrong about life imprisonment. Prison sentences can't just be abouit rehabilitation, there has to be a punitive part to the sentence and that should depend on just how bad you;ve been.

Coupled with a good old fashoned KICKING!

 

[surrey jim]

Coupled with a good old fashoned KICKING!

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

Least the c nt will not be able to ruin any more familys lives.

 

[Gritt23]

It's quite simple really: if you accept that killing people is wrong (as I do) then it's bad for the state to do too. I firmly believe that the state and the mechanism of justice has no right and to decide to end someone's life as an end in itself (obviously wars etc. are different - killing people is not the AIM of them: achieving strategic aims is).

And please, spare us a list of hideous crimes that have been committed. Not one of them will ever convince me at least that my tax money being used to end someone's life would be a good thing.

The difference is equally "quite simple." Murders kill innocent people, while the sentence of death is administered to the evil scum of society that are, and always will be a threat to society.

The difference could hardly be greater.

 

[Gritt23]

as much as i would like to have theese people dead it is also an easy way out, they die quickly and painlessly whereas the poor girl has this over her for the rest of her life

Where did you get the idea from that I wanted them to die quickly?

 

[Gritt23]

I'm not a fan of the death penalty, neither am I fan of life imprisonment, both IMHO are inhumane.

What are you a fan of exactly?

Today (God help us) you have become the Home Secretary, what sentences are you looking to dish out for murders, paedos and rapists?

A stern telling off perhaps, made to stand in the corner, or possibly some rehabilitation involving a new identity, new home, and a job in a school thrown in.

Please enlighten me, I'm genuinely interested to know the answer.

 

[Herne Hill Seagull]

Five minutes' research on the 'net reveals a whole list of people who've had to be formally posthumously pardoned by governments which administer death penalties. Regardless of one's feelings on the morality or otherwise of capital punishment, that alone is reason enough that it shouldn't be countenanced. If a government deliberately kills one person who turns out to be innocent (and capital punishment is deliberate killing, regardless of the motivation, reasoning and form of administration of it) the line dividing them from the murderers is very, very fine IMHO.

 

[Man of Harveys]

The difference is equally "quite simple." Murders kill innocent people, while the sentence of death is administered to the evil scum of society that are, and always will be a threat to society.

The difference could hardly be greater.

Decided by whom? So killing someone because it's been deemed that they are - in your meaninglessly-subjective but mouth-frothingly woolly term - "evil scum" by the state is OK? In that case killing is OK. It isn't. Killing is, in fact, what you're trying to prevent. Except, as US has pointed out, it doesn't prevent that either.

You might decide that stealing sweets makes a child "evil scum" - a newsagent would probably have that point of view. Should that child be strapped down and executed too?

 

[Bwian]

It's a knee-jerk reaction to simply want to kill these people. If you give the matter a little more thought you could come up with far worse than that.

For my money I'd like to abolish the seggregation of inmates. Stick 'em in with the armed robbers for example.

There is never going to be an easy way to deal with these types of people. Your solution would lead to physical assaults every day, probably ending in an unpleasant death. But who knows when they would end up dead? It's a death sentence of sorts-but not as we know it.

I have no sympathy for those 2 by the way.

 

[surrey jim]

Where did you get the idea from that I wanted them to die quickly?

no, the death penalaty is quick and painless

 

[Lammy]

Your solution would lead to physical assaults every day, probably ending in an unpleasant death.

As the Father of a 13 month old girl,

 

[ATFC Seagull]

What are you a fan of exactly?

Today (God help us) you have become the Home Secretary, what sentences are you looking to dish out for murders, paedos and rapists?

A stern telling off perhaps, made to stand in the corner, or possibly some rehabilitation involving a new identity, new home, and a job in a school thrown in.

Please enlighten me, I'm genuinely interested to know the answer.

Sick and invariably disgusting as they are, paedophiles and other sex offenders IMHO can only be considered mentally ill. I can't find any other explanation for their actions. Punish them for their crimes and for gods sake prevent them from going back into society, but there is a difference between a life sentence in prison and being committed to a secure mental asylum for life.

And as for life sentences for other crimes, I honestly believe that after a considered and appropriate sentence, the door should be open for a chance for the prisoner to prove rehabilitation and re-enter society. I'm not saying that a murderer should be able to say sorry after 5 years and be released, but after what could be practically a whole life in jail...

I must stress that there is obviously a serious a serious need to fully prove the prisoner's repentance, but as a society supposedly based on Christian values, surely we should accept that any person can truly be sorry for their crimes, and in turn given a chance to find redemption? Whereas full life sentences don't allow for this chance.

Theres also the issue of prison behaviour. I wouldn't relish being a guard where prisoners didn't care what their behaviour was, cos they were never getting out regardless.

Christ just read that, I never realised i was such a lefty!

 

[Gritt23]

Sick and invariably disgusting as they are, paedophiles and other sex offenders IMHO can only be considered mentally ill. I can't find any other explanation for their actions. Punish them for their crimes and for gods sake prevent them from going back into society, but there is a difference between a life sentence in prison and being committed to a secure mental asylum for life.

And as for life sentences for other crimes, I honestly believe that after a considered and appropriate sentence, the door should be open for a chance for the prisoner to prove rehabilitation and re-enter society. I'm not saying that a murderer should be able to say sorry after 5 years and be released, but after what could be practically a whole life in jail...

I must stress that there is obviously a serious a serious need to fully prove the prisoner's repentance, but as a society supposedly based on Christian values, surely we should accept that any person can truly be sorry for their crimes, and in turn given a chance to find redemption? Whereas full life sentences don't allow for this chance.

Theres also the issue of prison behaviour. I wouldn't relish being a guard where prisoners didn't care what their behaviour was, cos they were never getting out regardless.

Christ just read that, I never realised i was such a lefty!

Excellent sentiments, but I would just find it impossible to see how you could "fully prove the prisoner's repentance."

 

[chip]

The difference is equally "quite simple." Murders kill innocent people, while the sentence of death is administered to the evil scum of society that are, and always will be a threat to society.

The difference could hardly be greater.

I agree with you Grit, I think that the death penalty is appropriate in some cases. Some people are clearly not capable of living in a society and following the most basic forms of civilised behaviour. By their actions they demean and damage civility and forfiet their right to live within it. Execution is cost effective surgery to remove these cancerous growths on society before they contaminate too much more.

I find that the parallel with abortion is interesting. Most people who oppose the death penalty seem to support abortion and, I suspect, vice-versa. I'm not sure I like this form of justice though:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4967108.stm

 

[Gritt23]

in your meaninglessly-subjective but mouth-frothingly woolly term - "evil scum"

I refer the honourable gentleman to the link I provided some moments ago.

How much proof does someone need, they took fecking pictures of themselves committing the acts! Hence they were my example, as no-one could ever suggest we convicted - and executed - the wrong people. they could never be postumously pardoned, as there is absolutely no room for doubt.

Yes, it makes me froth at the mouth with fury and anger when I read of cases like that, fury at the feeble law (albeit this sentence is being reviewed) that sentences the evil scum (surely you agree with the description for these two) to time behind bars which means they are free about the same time their victim reaches Primary School!

"Meaninglessly-subjective" perhaps, but a pretty fair description all the same.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The problem is a lot of the murderers and rapists want to be executed and don't care if they live or die.


Zacarias Moussaoui

 

[Lammy]

The problem is a lot of the murderers and rapists want to be executed and don't care if they live or die.


Zacarias Moussaoui

Whereas not many of them are up for a good SHOING!