[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[BadFish]

A lot of the bigots and twats didn’t like it and reacted badly

What, all that unity, getting along with people different and acknowledging their contributions was all to much of people?

Tying one economical arm around one's back and shooting their own foot was preferable?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

What, all that unity, getting along with people different and acknowledging their contributions was all to much of people?

Tying one economical arm around one's back and shooting their own foot was preferable?

Yes. Exactly that. And when that wasn't shite enough they went and did a Brexit.

 

[A1X]

What, all that unity, getting along with people different and acknowledging their contributions was all to much of people?

Tying one economical arm around one's back and shooting their own foot was preferable?

They stuck it to the foreigners and the “establishment”, the damage caused didn’t concern them.

 

[Guinness Boy]

When people actually liked one another, when do you think that was?

Or do you think we have always been at one another's throats?

BBC isn't fair and only the left would believe that.
NHS isn't fair either, plenty of facts can be found about this, it could be so much more efficient and effective. No doubt Keir will take this on as a personal task as I have heard he is partial to a nurse.
Multiculturisim is just not working at all.

I was proud when you could get a policeman to take on a serious threat of a potential stabbing to a 14 year old girl, but the old bill go missing now.
Yet if you paint over a pride flag, coppers are trawling through CCTV and pherensics. The country is a joke and woke.

Starmers head is screwed on upside down.

I am not full on Farage but no party gives me and my family exactly what we want, but several give me everything I don't want, labour and lib dem. They hold the seats that will do the damage and will sink Britain to a level we have never seen.

Its crystal clear to me.

Were you ever right behind Boris?

 

[BadFish]

They stuck it to the foreigners and the “establishment”, the damage caused didn’t concern them.

Well it certainly sorted the immigration 'problem' out.

I am sure the establishment are nursing a financal bloody nose too.

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

So why the refusal to answer a straight question. I am none the wiser as to when you were proud of Britain.

I am always interested in when this mythical time was when Britain was a source of pride to people.

I guess the further question was to try and Eek out what it was that made you proud at this time.

When was this unified time in the UK, I don't remember it. All though I do concede that it appears more divided now than ever. But how you can blame anything except Brexit and therefore the Tories is totally beyond me.

So when was it?

This is a massive misconception and maybe a lack of knowledge when understanding dyslexia. Too many questions get thrown at one, if someone threw a ball to a neurological you would catch it, east task for you.
But I get (no exaggeration) the feeling of 100 balls are thrown at once, so I may catch one or need to take a brain rest, as I have said before to write on a fourum it is the hardest task I could ever do. It doesn't get easier.
Then it come down to finding the posts later, my sequencing is the other area I fall short, so I may discover one I have not replied to.
I NEVER intentionally do not reply, although I receive them myself. I would only not reply if someone was insulting me constantly, which a few of the naive have done already.

I would say pre Blair for me, how about you?

Blair opened the gates, they stayed open Starmer and the human rights brigade chocked the doors open and then bolted them for extra measure.

I think you already know but migration upset the zen atmosphere, similar as on here if there were 50 of me on here it wouldn't work because as the polls on here constantly show it's hugely labour/ lib dems/ greens.

People of colour are not the problem people of multiple different cultures are when you only have a small island. The balance has gone and under labour it will get worse, even cooper knows it.

Cultures fight and fight and fight, the future is bleak in Britain for our kids and grandkids, there will never be happy families unless the immigrants embrace our culture.

I awaits the onslaught of closed minds.

Hopefully you can agree to some of my points, if not can you help me understand why you feel all the different cultures won't fight.

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

Were you ever right behind Boris?

Yes, Johnson was too left for the Tories. What did you feel about him?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yes, Johnson was too left for the Tories. What did you feel about him?

That he was a lying swine who guzzled fine wine while people couldn’t visit dying relatives.

A chancer who can’t do detail. All charm and no ability.

 

[BadFish]

This is a massive misconception and maybe a lack of knowledge when understanding dyslexia. Too many questions get thrown at one, if someone threw a ball to a neurological you would catch it, east task for you.
But I get (no exaggeration) the feeling of 100 balls are thrown at once, so I may catch one or need to take a brain rest, as I have said before to write on a fourum it is the hardest task I could ever do. It doesn't get easier.
Then it come down to finding the posts later, my sequencing is the other area I fall short, so I may discover one I have not replied to.
I NEVER intentionally do not reply, although I receive them myself. I would only not reply if someone was insulting me constantly, which a few of the naive have done already.

I would say pre Blair for me, how about you?

Blair opened the gates, they stayed open Starmer and the human rights brigade chocked the doors open and then bolted them for extra measure.

I think you already know but migration upset the zen atmosphere, similar as on here if there were 50 of me on here it wouldn't work because as the polls on here constantly show it's hugely labour/ lib dems/ greens.

People of colour are not the problem people of multiple different cultures are when you only have a small island. The balance has gone and under labour it will get worse, even cooper knows it.

Cultures fight and fight and fight, the future is bleak in Britain for our kids and grandkids, there will never be happy families unless the immigrants embrace our culture.

I awaits the onslaught of closed minds.

Hopefully you can agree to some of my points, if not can you help me understand why you feel all the different cultures won't fight.

I disagree that cultures will always fight. From where I sit the hardest culture to get along with is the right wing Brit.

Multiculturalism can and does work fine. Where it gets tricky is when space, services and money are in short supply, then you get people fighting over scraps.

The thing that I absolutely cannot fathom though is how you see Farage and/or the Tories as a solution to your perceived problem?

The Tories had 14 years since the last labour government and from where I am standing you look, poor, angrier and more divided than at any time in history.

Yet you seem to clamouring for more divisiveness, more poverty, less services and more rich fuckers shafting you.

On the one hand you hate governments that let a load of foreign people in, while on the other you seemingly love a government that has let more foreign people in and f***ed you with austerity and f***ed you with Brexit.

Help me understand how you think either Farage or the Tories are going to help you, when they have done nothing for you in 14 years.

 

[Bodian]

I will butt in here and say that most Cities that have declared bankruptcy have been run by Labour.
And the way Lammy and Flip Flop Starmer are handing out the Dosh in the last week (to anyone who sounds like they might know what they are doing) , it won't be long before we will be paying more in tax and your government pension will become taxable.( Which will happen in the next two years)
I just hope this magic money tree comes into fruit everyday .

Authorities going bust since 2018:
Birmingham - Labour
Nottingham - Labour
Thurrock - Conservative at the time
Woking - Conservative
Slough - Labour at the time
Croydon - Labour at the time
Northampton - Conservative

So - when you say 'most', you're technically correct, 4:3. But that's not really what you were implying I don't think. Out of 153 local government councils in England it's a 69:57 split Labour / Conservative (plus quite a few Lib Dems). So - those going bust are pretty much in line with the proportional split.

The only reason some pensioners may have to start paying tax (many/most already do) is because of the higher than earnings increase in pension, and the freeze on personal allowances. Tories were going to bring in a new personal allowance just for pensioners - which would have been inter-generationally unfair. And it's not predicted to actually happen (the point at which pension and allowance are equal - given that inflation is down, pension rises will not be 8.5% again) till 2027-2028, so not 'in the next two years'. And even then, if the pension is only just over the allowance, the tax will be 20% of the amount above the allowance, so fairly minimal.

So why the refusal to answer a straight question. I am none the wiser as to when you were proud of Britain.

I am always interested in when this mythical time was when Britain was a source of pride to people.

I guess the further question was to try and Eek out what it was that made you proud at this time.

When was this unified time in the UK, I don't remember it. All though I do concede that it appears more divided now than ever. But how you can blame anything except Brexit and therefore the Tories is totally beyond me.

So when was it?

Hopefully they don't mean pre-Windrush - that would be a bit too blatantly Reform-like?

I know the question wasn't directed at me, but IMHO I'd like to go back to 2012. Specifically the period of the London Olympics, it felt like we (Britain) were a welcoming, inclusive, multicultural society working together and celebrating the Olympics together. I think that was peak UK.

It kinda went downhill from there.

Who has been in power since then.....

When austerity kicked in and then Brexit took off, I guess. Basically once Farage really got cracking with the rabble rousing (or radicalising if you want want to put it like that).

People talking about communities being great back in time. I suspect this would be linked to when people has less opportunity to go to uni so stuck about but more crucially when people could afford to buy a home. I guess they mean the 80s or early 90s. Thatcher years might be the time the “glory years” people mean?

Thatcher famously said that there's 'no such thing as society' - maybe that's where the supposed break-up of communities can be traced back to.

 

[Bodian]

I would say pre Blair for me, how about you?

Pre-Blair?? You mean the Thatcher era - Thatcher who did more to divide this country into the haves and have nots than anyone else. Thatcher who broke the industrial base of the country - the base which held together vast communities.

That's the breakdown in communities right there.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Pre-Blair?? You mean the Thatcher era - Thatcher who did more to divide this country into the haves and have nots than anyone else. Thatcher who broke the industrial base of the country - the base which held together vast communities.

That's the breakdown in communities right there.

Her own words.
There’s no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

When austerity kicked in and then Brexit took off, I guess. Basically once Farage really got cracking with the rabble rousing (or radicalising if you want want to put it like that).

People talking about communities being great back in time. I suspect this would be linked to when people has less opportunity to go to uni so stuck about but more crucially when people could afford to buy a home. I guess they mean the 80s or early 90s. Thatcher years might be the time the “glory years” people mean?

Consider the 60s. Lots of people got on the housing market and now own houses more the 20 times their salary (when the retired). A former colleague of mine, with nothing more than two lecturers' salaries (neither he nor his wife were particularly successful academics) retired 7 years ago with a five bedroom house in Wimbledon.

But I suspect people don't see the 60s as Peak UK because society was so illiberal, ignorant, racists, sexists and naff. And smelly. And halitotic. And rapey. And wife-beaty.

Despite everything, I think peak UK is now. Sure, we have foodbanks and a massive gulf between house prices and affordability, but factor in our legal protections, almost institutional civility, and the prospect for better (it seemed that there were no prospects for 'better' when we got into the 70s) then I'd rather be in the here and now than in some fictitious halcyon past.

 

[beorhthelm]

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Thatcher famously said that there's 'no such thing as society' - maybe that's where the supposed break-up of communities can be traced back to.

"If children have a problem, it is society that is at fault. There is no such thing as society. ... the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate."

sounds a lot like community doesn't it? Thatcher was objecting to child welfare being delegated to someone else. "society" isn't a thing that can be responsible, it is all of us.

 

[BadFish]

Pre-Blair?? You mean the Thatcher era - Thatcher who did more to divide this country into the haves and have nots than anyone else. Thatcher who broke the industrial base of the country - the base which held together vast communities.

That's the breakdown in communities right there.

Her own words.
There’s no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families.

Thatcher was literally all about doing it for yourself, no one is going to help you, as you both mention she literally said there is no such thing as society.

I just cannot see the logical connection between @Right Brain Ronnie lamenting of comminutiy and harking back to a time when we all got along (most of us all got along because we all hated Thatcher ) and he picks Thatcherism as the halcyon days of love and prosperity.

I know I'll get accused of being anti neruo diverse or something. (despite myself and my whole family being neuro diverse as I am sure I have banged on about enough) but please ronnie, explain the logic?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Thatcher was literally all about doing it for yourself, no one is going to help you, as you both mention she literally said there is no such thing as society.

I just cannot see the logical connection between @Right Brain Ronnie lamenting of comminutiy and harking back to a time when we all got along (most of us all got along because we all hated Thatcher ) and he picks Thatcherism as the halcyon days of love and prosperity.

I know I'll get accused of being anti neruo diverse or something. (despite myself and my whole family being neuro diverse as I am sure I have banged on about enough) but please ronnie, explain the logic?

I doubt there is any logic, just trolling.

 

[BadFish]

I doubt there is any logic, just trolling.

Farage prefers feelings over logic. Big feelings are what is needed to vote Reform.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Authorities going bust since 2018:

So - when you say 'most', you're technically correct, 4:3. But that's not really what you were implying I don't think. Out of 153 local government councils in England it's a 69:57 split Labour / Conservative (plus quite a few Lib Dems). So - those going bust are pretty much in line with the proportional split.

Regardless of which party controlled those individual councils, the REASON they were in difficulty has a lot more to do with huge cuts in central government funding, than irresponsible local financial management.

If there is any worth in trying to apportion BLAME, then you'd need to cast your eye beyond the walls of the town hall.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Thatcher was literally all about doing it for yourself, no one is going to help you, as you both mention she literally said there is no such thing as society.

I just cannot see the logical connection between @Right Brain Ronnie lamenting of comminutiy and harking back to a time when we all got along (most of us all got along because we all hated Thatcher ) and he picks Thatcherism as the halcyon days of love and prosperity.

I know I'll get accused of being anti neruo diverse or something. (despite myself and my whole family being neuro diverse as I am sure I have banged on about enough) but please ronnie, explain the logic?

Food banks are a prime example of Margaret Thatcher's point. You might feel they are being run by "society", but they aren't. They are being run by the individual men and women that she was referring to.

Prosperity was undoubtedly improved in the period 1979-1991. Whether or not that was a good thing is a moot point.

 

[Driver8]

I will butt in here and say that most Cities that have declared bankruptcy have been run by Labour.
And the way Lammy and Flip Flop Starmer are handing out the Dosh in the last week (to anyone who sounds like they might know what they are doing) , it won't be long before we will be paying more in tax and your government pension will become taxable.( Which will happen in the next two years)
I just hope this magic money tree comes into fruit everyday .

The state pension is and always has been taxable. For most people without other income it has been within their personal allowance. The Tories froze the personal allowance in 2022 but pensions continue to increase so eventually they will exceed it and people will have to pay tax. Nothing to do with Labour.