[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[clapham_gull]

I am not racist against any creed or colour but am slightly nationalistic. I want people to come to my Country, whether Black, white yellow or orange. But, I really want you to assimilate to my countries beliefs. Does that make me wrong?

Sorry for another quote but sorry having re-read that.

"You", "my countries beliefs"

Typical Little Englander I'm afraid, in fact you define it. You are actually asking the "indigenous" in the country to assimilate to your world view first, then secondly asking immigrants to follow.

You assume (wrongly) that I, as a part of "your country" (because it seemingly belongs to you) have the same beliefs as you.

We don't, we are miles apart and there millions of others even if you take immigrants out of the equation.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Will they though as they are not a party but a company?

The Electoral Commission thinks they are a party. Perhaps if enough people told the Electoral Commission that they were wrong, they might change their minds?

 

[raymondo]

Exactly the same experience in my household. Fired up a pretty good discussion about politics. Didn’t a certain Austrian Corporal target the youth?

Yep. I think it's important that we notice.

 

[lawros left foot]

 

[golddene]

I am not racist against any creed or colour but am slightly nationalistic. I want people to come to my Country, whether Black, white yellow or orange. But, I really want you to assimilate to my countries beliefs. Does that make me wrong?

What are you the effing Borg ?

 

[Eeyore]

Is it racist to be nationalistic?

Generally speaking, patriotism is the love of ones own country, nationalism is the hatred all of all others.

I'm quite patriotic and comfortable with it. But that doesn't mean I don't have equal respect and love for many others.

That said, borders are, mostly, an unnatural invention and humans should be judged by character alone.

We could apply a football test. If England lose in the European Championships can you respect that the other nation were better ? Do you have antipathy towards them ?

A patriot would be disappointed but philosophical, a nationalist would be angry and hateful.

Another key thing to remember about nationalism is that it is based in personal insecurity. Nationalists have a personal identity crisis and hide a low self esteem. It does, however, get complicated because the term 'nationalist' can be applied to folk who want self governance in a territory. In which case the points I make are redundant.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

You clearly haven’t mixed much with Brit expats

What a frightening thought.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

The Electoral Commission thinks they are a party. Perhaps if enough people told the Electoral Commission that they were wrong, they might change their minds?

Which means the electoral commission will be over them like a rash, which fuckface isn’t going to like.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Bit of a left wing bias on here!

This isn’t the BBC. It’s a message board where the content comes from the members.

Not sure why I had to explain that to a grown adult.

 

[Berty23]

I am not racist against any creed or colour but am slightly nationalistic. I want people to come to my Country, whether Black, white yellow or orange. But, I really want you to assimilate to my countries beliefs. Does that make me wrong?

What are our beliefs?

 

[Hugo Rune]

What are our beliefs?

I believe we brought these beliefs over from the continent with us when we colonised Great Britain after the last ice age.

Æsir - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

This was before all the foreigners invaded us with their Middle Eastern religions.

What is more British than the Æsir?

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[beorhthelm]

Will they though as they are not a party but a company?

people have been prattling on about this for weeks; they've been campaiging in an election, registered hundred of candidates and just won parliamentry seats. think we can assume they are registered as a political party. there's nothing to say a company cant register as a party, just file form RP1 with the Electoral Commission and off you go.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

So, when we reach America levels of inbreeding and stupidity due to fetishisation of the two party system, and both of our two “main” parties are rotten to the core, how do we escape that?

Don’t say it can’t happen, look at America right now. The relative beauty of (frankly most) other electoral systems is that with a larger quantity of parties that could potentially take power if the main two turn rotten those lobbyists who effectively want to control the discourse can’t simply corrupt two parties and then sit there job done. You can’t stop corruption completely, but you can make it expensive, time-consuming and difficult for those trying to perpetrate it.

Multiple smaller faster targets are harder to hit than two static targets. For me a two party system represents two static targets. I will support Labour’s first term, and possibly their second, we both know that by a third they’re likely to be rotten. Wouldn’t it be nice if instead of flipping back to the Conservatives for 2/3 terms there was a genuine prospect of a decent alternative?

I understand your concerns, channeling America. I have to say that their two party system is immutable for many reasons, the main one being that the two parties are mega rich corporations. Their competition (their elections) is like the EPL, but with just two insanely rich versions of Chelsea and Citeh. Their system 'worked' until Trump, but he did.....win over 80 million votes. And all would have been well again had the democrats not gone absolutely mad and let Biden stand again. Shit governments happen. All is not lost....

Meanwhile, yes, lots of fresh blood. If Farage-Retard make a mockery of themselves during this parliament and don't embed themselves in our consciousness as legitimate and interesting (my hope) there may be a case for loosening the franchise so to speak so other parties get 'better' representation. But if Farage fails one could easily also argue this means FPTP works well, protecting us from extremism.

Despite being a Labour member, I don't regard the Tories as all bad. We have had the emergence of a shitehouse take-over of the Tories under Johnson, but this is not irreversible. I don't begrudge Thatcher her electoral success. It was what 'we' wanted. Our system is not broken. You can only vote for what is on offer. If the Greens are Liberals were more compelling they would be doing better. The Liberals once were a top two party. Labour emerged late and 'we' have still only had 7 labour PMs.

If Labour get 2 terms and then flag, it is what it is. If turnout drops below 50% however then I would argue that a new system is essential to stave off social revolt. We nearly had that in the 1890s, incidentally when the Tories and Whigs ruled the roost (and only rich men got to vote). Then slowly the franchise enlarged socialism emerged and cultivated a constituency (in the wider sense). It could happen again with a new movement . . . . such as Farage-Retard. If they can do it they will deserve to do it. Meanwhile FPTP keeps them at bay. And the Liberals and Greens will have to work harder if they want to do better.

We shall see what we shall see.

(I enjoy your contributions immensely. I am not triumphant or complacent and like my perspective to be challenged. )

 

[BadFish]

I am not racist against any creed or colour but am slightly nationalistic. I want people to come to my Country, whether Black, white yellow or orange. But, I really want you to assimilate to my countries beliefs. Does that make me wrong?

I am interested to know what this assimilation looks like.

What are the beliefs that you require immigrants to assimilate to?

 

[dsr-burnley]

I am interested to know what this assimilation looks like.

What are the beliefs that you require immigrants to assimilate to?

Equal rights for women would be a good example. Also the right to freedom of religion for all, and the acceptance that their own religion can be insulted without penalty.

 

[BadFish]

Equal rights for women would be a good example. Also the right to freedom of religion for all, and the acceptance that their own religion can be insulted without penalty.

Ah okay so we are really talking about human rights rather than beliefs.

Those aren't really Seat Sniffer's country's beliefs though, more an agreed set of human rights agreed by many countries.

I agree that these are the basic beliefs that one should work within in most countries.

 

[Baldseagull]

I am not racist against any creed or colour but am slightly nationalistic. I want people to come to my Country, whether Black, white
yellow or orange. But, I really want you to assimilate to my countries beliefs. Does that 3make me wrong?

It doesn't make you wrong to want it, a bit sad maybe, but you can't expect it, and it makes you wrong if you demand it.
What sort of ****s would we be, if we said you can come here and work and pay taxes, but you have to piss half your money away in a pub, moan about the weather at every opportunity, have a roast on Sundays, and drink tea all day, because it makes us a bit uncomfortable if you never get drunk, just accept the weather, eat spicy food and drink coffee.

 

[Happy Exile]

The result would have depended greatly on what false claims were printed on the side the side of the Vote No battle bus.

One of their claims was that the cost of non-existent machines (that they invented a need for) would take money away from the NHS, and specifically treatment for premature babies. Unsurprisingly the No to AV campaign had a lot of the same people involved as the pro-Brexit campaign. Also unsurprisingly the Yes campaign, like the campaign against Brexit, focused on facts and evidence which is more boring and less likely to get people interested unfortunately.

 

[Eric the meek]

Anyone seen that Starmer has already kicked the Rwanda scheme into touch?

A good start. Apologies if fixtures.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Equal rights for women would be a good example. Also the right to freedom of religion for all, and the acceptance that their own religion can be insulted without penalty.

Equal rights for women? Most of the legislation which has helped women in the last 60 years came from EU legislation.