[News] Nigel Farage and Reform

[Commander]

Wikipedia has a list of Reform's front bench. Having looked them up, it seems that the gang that are promising to bring down the establishment are majority independent school educated and have worked in, or have connections to: the city, the media, the forces, property development, politics, the church, the aristocracy, business, the Football Association and the Conservative Party. Organisations that some might call... the establishment.

I suspect that none are at all self serving and that they are all just doing it to help the working people of the UK.

Leader	Nigel Farage	3 June 2024[20] – present	Went from Dulwich College (current fees C£50k p.a.) to a long career in the city, membership of the Conservative Party for more than a decade before leaving over Europe.
Energy and Foreign Policy	Richard Tice	20 March 2023 – present	Uppingham School (C£45k p.a.) Career in Property Development, donor and member of the Conservatives for most of his adult life.
Health	David Bull	20 March 2023 – present	Framlingham College (C£38k p.a.) A few years as a junior doctor before a couple of decades in broadcast media working for Sky, C4, BBC and others.
Brexit and the Union	Ben Habib	20 March 2023 – present	Rugby School (£45k p.a.) Worked in the city including for Lehmann Bros. then property development. Was a Conservative party member and donor.
Immigration and Justice	Ann Widdecombe	20 March 2023 – present	La Sainte Union Convent School in Bath, now closed. 4 decade career as a Conservative politician and minister. Made Dame of the Order of St. Gregory the Great by Pope Benedict XVI (Ratzinger)
Business and Agriculture	Rupert Lowe	20 March 2023 – present	Radley College (£48k p.a.) Morgan Grenfell, Deutsche Bank and Barings, then owned a company that ran nursing homes, before becoming chairman of Southampton FC. Served as a member of the FA.
Defence and National Security	Frederick Chedham	20 March 2023 – 18 June 2024[171]	Grammar school (not fee paying!) Then Sandhurst, 25 years in the army reaching the rank of colonel.
Education and the Family	Belinda de Lucy	20 March 2023 – present	Education spokesperson, but very difficult to find out where she went to school. Given that she attended the Cartier Queen’s Cup at the Guard’s Polo Club with Lady Kitty Spencer (Diana's niece), I guess it wasn't Stanley Deason.
Culture	Alex Phillips	20 March 2023 – present	Another publicly educated grammar school graduate. Journalist who has worked for ITV, Talk Radio, The Telegraph and GB News as well as UKIP and SCL Group, the parent company of Cambridge Analytica
Fisheries	June Mummery		Can't find details of her education. Owns BFP Eastern fish market auctioneers.

As per @schmunk 's post below, all school fees quoted are boarders fees.

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Education spokesperson, but very difficult to find out where she went to school. Given that she attended the Cartier Queen’s Cup at the Guard’s Polo Club with Lady Kitty Spencer (Diana's niece), I guess it wasn't Stanley Deason. "

That made me laugh!

 

[Baldseagull]

Yes, @Simster also criticized the 'clear mandate' lie. I don't like it when they say that, because it sounds like insecurity. It is a mandate. A mandate is all or none. Someone wins and therefore has a mandate. If they don't have a majority you get a coalition. That's how elections work.

More absurd were the Corbynistas who claimed Corbyn's policies where overwhelmingly popular after he lost two elections. It's what politicians do - see a leaking half empty cup and say it is half full and likely to get fuller.

The problem is that the population are not prepared to deal with truth. They want hubris, then they complain when all the mad promises fail to bring fruit.

And remember Starmer is being pilloried by many for under-promising and being wishy washy (the opposite of Johnson).

And as Simster also intimated, (and I will take on the logic) Labour and Tory have spent the last 90 years trying to beat each other so they can form a government. The liberals used to do the same. Of course they aren't going to focus on changing the electoral process. You won't win if your plan is to immediately concede power by changing the electoral system to reduce your chances of you (or anyone else) winning again.

Maybe we need a referendum on a change to the electoral system. I'd be happy with that (not least because I would expect a majority in favour of no change). You can imagine the campaigning:

"We tories have a strong track record of forming governments. If you back an non-FPTP option you run the risk of a coalition between Labour, Galloway, Corbyn, the SWP and the IRA. Vote FPTP!"

"We in Labour believe we can change the future of the UK to benefit everyone. There is no need to dilute our vision by forcing a coalition with the Liberals and Greens. And a non-FPTP system would risk delivering a tory coalition with Farage, the undemocratic unionists, an any number of new mad right wing populist nut cases. Vote FPTP!"

"We in the Liberals/Greens think that its Just Not Fair that despite having millions of supporters we can't get anywhere near the levers of Power. Ditch FPTP and with the resultant coalitions we might be able to induce Labour or Tories to enact some of our plans. Of course we would have to ditch most of them as part of bargaining (see Cleggy) and then our core support will skweem and skweem until they're thick. Vote No to FPTP!"

Good luck with all that, and godspeed!

I am going to try one last time. This is NOT PR, just AV, alternative vote. Try thinking of it as first past the post, but with only ever 2 candidates in the race. The preference list is just to decide which two candidates should be in the race, there is no representation of whichever party finishes 2nd or 3rd in parliament for that constituency, and coalitions are not really anymore likely than in FPTP and would be between 2 parties usually.
One MP is returned from each constituency, just as now.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I am going to try one last time. This is NOT PR, just AV, alternative vote. Try thinking of it as first past the post, but with only ever 2 candidates in the race. The preference list is just to decide which has two candidates should be in the race, there is no representation of whichever party finishes 2nd or 3rd in parliament for that constituency, and coalitions are not really anymore likely than in FPTP and would be between 2 parties usually.
One MP is returned from each constituency, just as now.

What was the 'this'? What you have described is FPTP but with only 2 candidates. That doesn't seem very fair

Why is having two candidates 'alternative voting'?

I doubt this will ever catch on in England.

 

[TomandJerry]

According to the news agency, Farage addressed the crowd in Clacton on immigration, saying: “How are you getting on for dentists in Clacton? Well then you should have come by dinghy.”

He added: “This is unfair, this is wrong and this needs to stop and stop now.” He then went on to start a chant: “We want our country back.”

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

According to the news agency, Farage addressed the crowd in Clacton on immigration, saying: “How are you getting on for dentists in Clacton? Well then you should have come by dinghy.”

He added: “This is unfair, this is wrong and this needs to stop and stop now.” He then went on to start a chant: “We want our country back.”

He would be even worse than this:

 

[Zeberdi]

At first glance I though this is in poor taste. It is! The account has been deleted since being caught out.

Wow - absolutely disgusting and well spotted.

Could this lot stoop any fcuking lower?

 

[Zeberdi]

According to the news agency, Farage addressed the crowd in Clacton on immigration, saying: “How are you getting on for dentists in Clacton? Well then you should have come by dinghy.”

He added: “This is unfair, this is wrong and this needs to stop and stop now.” He then went on to start a chant: “We want our country back.”

According to a video posted up thread - Even the racists in Clacton don’t think immigration is a problem in Clacton so I did a little digging to find out why not :

95.3% of people in Clacton identify as White. That’s 10% over the national average.

The problem in Clacton is poor healthcare, education, low employment and crime after 14 years of Tory rule.
What has to ‘stop’ to paraphrase Farage, is this scapegoating culture of blaming non-white people for the effect of failures in social, health and economic policy.


Farage as usual turning it all into an immigration argument to manipulate voters in deprived areas and cause hatred and divisiveness. He really is an evil, manipulative little man.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6603f6bc9741c5001139dc41/Clacton-on-Sea.pdf

 

[Baldseagull]

What was the 'this'? What you have described is FPTP but with only 2 candidates. That doesn't seem very fair

Why is having two candidates 'alternative voting'?

I doubt this will ever catch on in England.

I didn't have you down as a wum, my mistake, hope enjoyed yourself.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I didn't have you down as a wum, my mistake, hope enjoyed yourself.

I am not. Your post was written in haste and makes no sense. So I mocked it.

Remember, you are supposedly trying to recruit me into 'vote change the electoral system'.

I am happy with the electoral system, so if you would prefer to opt for 'no compromise with the electorate (me)' that's up to you.

 

[Motogull]

Well then.

Ofcom has dismissed complaints made about a Channel 4 News undercover investigation, which captured Reform UK volunteers expressing racist, Islamophobic and homophobic views.

Obviously this will result in even more law suits be started by the frog-faced kunnt.

 

[Baldseagull]

I am not. Your post was written in haste and makes no sense. So I mocked it.

Remember, you are supposedly trying to recruit me into 'vote change the electoral system'.

I am happy with the electoral system, so if you would prefer to opt for 'no compromise with the electorate (me)' that's up to you.

I am not biting anymore, you're being disingenuous and its beginning to irritate me.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I am not biting anymore, you're being disingenuous and its beginning to irritate me.

We'll never sort this out on NSC. I'm not being disingenuous. I have explained myself to 3 decimal places. But I'm happy to leave it there. We disagree. It isn't important.

 

[Motogull]

I'm not religious but tonight I will pray that the people of Clacton do not vote this vile kunnt into Westminster..

 

[A1X]

Oh look

 

[dsr-burnley]

European elections were held this way, which is how Farage got elected as an MEP.

Farage was twice the leader of the party which won the greatest share of votes in the Euro elections. That's why he got elected, not just some nuance of the voting system.

 

[sparkie]

Serious question; how do you measure or reflect the "will of the people" when there are deep or widespread political differences and divisions?

For example, since 2016, Brexitters have been boasting that Leaving the EU was "the will of the people" - yet 48% of people (who voted) wanted to Remain; what about their "will"?

I'm more concerned that in reality it is "the will of the people aged 26 and above. Sod the rest.".

 

[Nobby]

Farage was twice the leader of the party which won the greatest share of votes in the Euro elections. That's why he got elected, not just some nuance of the voting system.

Excited?
You voting for the Political wing of Britain First today Das?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Farage was twice the leader of the party which won the greatest share of votes in the Euro elections. That's why he got elected, not just some nuance of the voting system.

Still a racist **** though

 

[papachris]

According to the news agency, Farage addressed the crowd in Clacton on immigration, saying: “How are you getting on for dentists in Clacton? Well then you should have come by dinghy.”

He added: “This is unfair, this is wrong and this needs to stop and stop now.” He then went on to start a chant: “We want our country back.”

That is disgraceful. But he has a track record as he also used divisive hate language during the Brexit campaign.

 

[nicko31]

Oh look

It was always a ridiculous accusation by NF and co, merely an attempt to distract the fact the cover had been blown on his inner circle. This incident and the Russia support had definitely reduced Reform Ltd's momentum.

2 seats to the fashs I reckon. Hard to get racism and bigotry concentrated to the levels to win a seat. Its everywhere but mostly at low levels