Nick Szczepanik Tweets Poyet hearing Monday now!

[Bra]

BUT, you don't know that nobody else wants him! Neither Gus nor his agent, or any interested clubs would show their hand with the situation as it is are they, but you can be sure that contact between certain clubs and Gus' agent have taken place.

So in your view it is okay for gus to wait on a payout from the club whilst his agent has talks with other clubs for him to move to in breech of the contract the club is expected to honour and meet its financial obligations?

 

[WATFORD zero]

I used to work in a business where poaching of staff was not uncommon, if not rife. When recruiting for staff an agent would always ask how your situation was and would mention (in passing ) if they had roles that they thought you could fill, so there was always an awareness of what else was available.

However, there was a significant difference between being 'prompted' by an agent and getting a job offer, so anyone with a bit of experience wouldn't burn their bridges at the mention of a good role somewhere else, but would have exploratory chats etc and make sure that the role was right before formally showing interest.

Less experienced people had been known to jump at an 'opportunity' to find out the opportunity wasn't quite as cut and dried as the Agent may have indicated and then found themselves between a rock and a hard place.

Just saying, like

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Which would surely be breach of contract, he's not in a position to speak to other clubs whilst under contract with us unless he gets permission.

Exactly and from our perspective the club has made an illegal approach.

 

[theonesmith]

It depends what the contract says. I understood there was a severance clause which had a payment due either by the club, Gus or a new club.

Gus essentially confirmed this when questioned on his new contract at the time

 

[somerset]

Look, its fairly simple ( without knowing the specifics)... but in general terms, if he leaves he is normally obliged to pay the club back a portion or all of his remaining contract, if someone poaches him, they pay it, if he is sacked, then we pay some depending on the reasons.

We can however speak to anyone whilst he is under suspension, a) to have a deputy running things until issue resolved. This person can be brought in on a short term contract from outside, b) to start the long term contingency planning for a replacement. Don't forget, he is the one under disciplinary.

 

[Garage_Doors]

Who is this Nick bloke? Is he a reliable source?

 

[Captain Haddock]

Not a joke Club - yet, if at all. Yes we could have done the obvious thing and just sacked Gus etc without bothering to investigate the allegations and then worry about the consequences later. But potentially now we'd be a couple of £m worse having to pay him compensation or dragging us through an unfair dismissal claim . I don't know exactly what sort of figure he would take us for but that's a hell of a dent in a transfer budget for new manager. Also put it in the context of the 18 redundancies. The number of jobs lost could easily double if we just roll over and give Gus £2m.

Do you really want to gift such a big chunk of everyone's ST money into Gus's bank account when he is no longer anything to do with us? I for one am pleased that The Albion have had the balls to do this properly. Ok it has dragged on which is frustrating for us all not least because both sides have (rightly) managed to keep a lid on the details.

But hopefully at the end of the disciplinary process there will be absolutely no doubt as to the outcome. The timescale suggests it was not a straightforward matter to investigate, gather evidence, interview people and prepare the legal side of things. Unlike workplace disputes that most of us NSCers might encounter and dealt with by HR, this is not your average workplace, the people involved have very high public profiles, their professional reputations and future prospects may be at stake, the financial implications may be very significant, sponsors will be sensitive to the findings and no doubt there are very expensive lawyers at work on both sides. You haven't heard the League Managers Association complaining about the Albion dragging their heels so suggest they recognise that the process has to take its course.

With The Albion having suspended Gus and told him not to have any contact with the Club then presumably the Club would have to give him reasonable notice of a hearing date. His lawyers would ask for reasonable time to consider his defence. I think most people would wish to have an opportunity to give their side of things in person. If Gus is currently on a pre-arranged commitment that is one thing but if he has elected to be awkward then he won't help his case.

If this process saves us a huge chunk of money that all of us would rather spend on footie matters, then so be it.

I do agree that we could look bad if Gus is reinstated because I wouldn't like to predict how he would handle that. Badly, I suspect.

Excellent posting there!

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Look, its fairly simple ( without knowing the specifics)... but in general terms, if he leaves he is normally obliged to pay the club back a portion or all of his remaining contract, if someone poaches him, they pay it, if he is sacked, then we pay some depending on the reasons.

We can however speak to anyone whilst he is under suspension, a) to have a deputy running things until issue resolved. This person can be brought in on a short term contract from outside, b) to start the long term contingency planning for a replacement. Don't forget, he is the one under disciplinary.

Re your second para, are you sure? The examples of gardening leave I recall always seems to involve a current employee taking over. I would have thought any approach to a third party could be construed as 'disciplinary action concluded and decision made'.

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

Re your second para, are you sure? The examples of gardening leave I recall always seems to involve a current employee taking over. I would have thought any approach to a third party could be construed as 'disciplinary action concluded and decision made'.

Wasn't Adkins put on gardening leave and that new guy at Southampton employed last season?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Yep - but Gus has just come back from there today I think (only on holiday though). Was at Gatwick this afternoon and heard some chap say that he was on the same flight as Gus.

Work colleague's mate had her pic taken with a beaming Gus at Gatwick on Wednesday (I did see the evidence)

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Wasn't Adkins put on gardening leave and that new guy at Southampton employed last season?

Wasn't he sacked and he held back going to Reading as he had a legal case for unfair dismissal (which I guess we're trying to avoid), he then chose to drop the case and take the Reading job.

 

[blue'n'white]

Who is this Nick bloke? Is he a reliable source?

I think you'll find he is a very reliable source !

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

Wasn't he sacked and he held back going to Reading as he had a legal case for unfair dismissal (which I guess we're trying to avoid), he then chose to drop the case and take the Reading job.

Yeah you're probably right, I didn't pay that much attention to be honest except thinking it was a bit harsh but didn't really care.

 

[EricYoung59]

Can see to a degree what you are saying, but not how it was handled with tanno. Why do it differently?

Negotiation ploy with Poyet or, if they are to make a "pay off" to Poyet why bother to pay Taricco as they know he will leave (at no cost) if Poyet should leave. I guess they view P&T as a team. Pre season start next week?

 

[EricYoung59]

Negotiation ploy with Poyet or, if they are to make a "pay off" to Poyet why bother to pay Taricco as they know he will leave (at no cost) if Poyet should leave. I guess they view P&T as a team. Pre season start next week?

Thinking about this more (which is making my brain hurt) if pre season does start and Taricco doesn't turn up it puts more pressure on Poyet. I would hate to play cards against Bloom. It would seem the Taricco decision could be about bringing the whole matter to a conclusion if it is a bit of a face off between Bloom and Poyet and their respective lawyers.

Lets hope for the good of the club, it's history, it's reputation and all it's staff and fans that the matter can be brought to a dignified end soon. UTA

 

[wellquickwoody]

Gus and Charlie were told by text on Weds that the club weren't yet in a position to make them an offer, hence the delay until Monday. Gus and Charlie are still both away. I'll probably be accused of being an attention seeker again but heyho do I care!

Employment law/negotiations by text........

Course they did.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I think you'll find he is a very reliable source !

Yes. But he may not be not Andy Naylor for much longer.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Wasn't Adkins put on gardening leave and that new guy at Southampton employed last season?

I thought he was sacked and spent a long time agreeing compensation. While those negotiations were going on he wasn't able to take a new job.

 

[AZ Gull]

Yes. But he may not be not Andy Naylor for much longer.

Are you suggesting he will BE Andy Naylor?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Gus and Charlie were told by text on Weds that the club weren't yet in a position to make them an offer, hence the delay until Monday. Gus and Charlie are still both away. I'll probably be accused of being an attention seeker again but heyho do I care!

Gus flew back this afternoon and was seen at Gatwick.