Nice one George

[Ernest]

Problem is he factored £3.5 billion into the figures for the year ahead so the fuckwit Osborne is down £1billion on the books

 

[The Modfather]

The Brown government springs to mind. Let's not forget it was Brown who proudly announced an end to boom and bust

Quite possibly the only thing he got right as we just have bust and no boom now.

 

[vegster]

You're friend should be looking at doing them for constructive dismissal. Not sure why you link a dodgy business practise to the government though.

The point is that this governments cutbacks have put lots of people on the dole, Tory theory is that if small and medium size business grow they will re-employ those the government has sacked, having an abundant supply of available ( unemployed ) cheap labour makes this easier With the slow demise of unionisation and the desperation more and more people are feeling we now have a divided society of haves and have nots. And, to make it worse,recently, there was a Tory policy think tank suggesting that making it easier to sack workers would aid small business !

 

[Weststander]

The point is that this governments cutbacks have put lots of people on the dole, Tory theory is that if small and medium size business grow they will re-employ those the government has sacked, having an abundant supply of available ( unemployed ) cheap labour makes this easier With the slow demise of unionisation and the desperation more and more people are feeling we now have a divided society of haves and have nots. And, to make it worse,recently, there was a Tory policy think tank suggesting that making it easier to sack workers would aid small business !

Plenty of businessmen treated employees like shit under Labour, and Blair/Brown/Balls cleverly laid the foundations for the recession with a government and personal debt fuelled boom, which was only going to end one way .... Giving the 'boot on the employers foot' conditions now.

Don't think of Blair/Brown/Balls as humble socialists in the mould of Michael Foot, Bevan. They were like the Tories in the pockets of business and the wealthy.

 

[Albion Rob]

OBR are independent of Government.

I'd say they're only as independent as an organisation can be when all parties are basically good mates.

But what they really are is bloody useless. Constantly making massive over-predictions on growth which are always being revised down. If I was more cynical I'd wonder if they had been inflating their guesses to haul Dave and Gideon out of the shit in the short term - can you imagine if they had been predicting the current anaemic growth two years ago?

 

[beorhthelm]

The point is that this governments cutbacks have put lots of people on the dole, Tory theory is that if small and medium size business grow they will re-employ those the government has sacked

the problem is Osborne hasnt done anything to aid the supply side or encourage growth, to balance the cutbacks, which were necessary (cause we couldnt afford the expenditure in the first place). the think tanks are being pragmatic, even if you dont like it the theory is sound: Wizzo Ltd has some cash and wants to expand but doesnt know if the expansion will work out, does it a) take on staff that it cant divest if things dont go right jeopardising the whole business, or b) sit on its hands and wait. companies are taking option b. loosening workers rights on it own wont make much difference either, but it will along side a raft of other changes. but no one's interested in pragmatism anymore, just tubthumping partisan jeering at how its all going wrong.

 

[vegster]

Plenty of businessmen treated employees like shit under Labour, and Blair/Brown/Balls cleverly laid the foundations for the recession with a government and personal debt fuelled boom, which was only going to end one way .... Giving the 'boot on the employers foot' conditions now.

Don't think of Blair/Brown/Balls as humble socialists in the mould of Michael Foot, Bevan. They were like the Tories in the pockets of business and the wealthy.

Thats a fantastic explanation..... so they created a recession which the Tories/Lib dems have been unable to fix leading to them being voted out at the next election to be replaced by Labour ? what a way to secure your legacy !

 

[Seagull on the wing]

UK Polling Report

they will be booted out at the first opportunity

Has there been a worse government ?

How about Labour leaving office with a note 'There's no money left'! or have you just washed over their incompentence....and their open door immigration policy....

 

[Seagull on the wing]

The point is that this governments cutbacks have put lots of people on the dole, Tory theory is that if small and medium size business grow they will re-employ those the government has sacked, having an abundant supply of available ( unemployed ) cheap labour makes this easier With the slow demise of unionisation and the desperation more and more people are feeling we now have a divided society of haves and have nots. And, to make it worse,recently, there was a Tory policy think tank suggesting that making it easier to sack workers would aid small business !

So that explains how the jobless total has gone down and still falling....and please don't say anything praiseworthy about the unions,they nearly bought this country to it's knees with their restricted practices...all they were doing was collecting political levies and keeping their masters in luxury....believe me...if you did'nt join a union you had little chance of work,does'nt matter how good you were at work...I've seen the union at work....not nice!

 

[The Birdman]

Who sold the gold and left no money in the treasury, please remind me. What was the job situation this month unemployed came down. Okay we need to create better jobs. Also I know it not good for savers but pay of your mortgages while interest are low. Oh and we just beat Cardiff.

 

[User removed 4]

I have a friend who works in a well known high street chain that is franchised. New franchise owners have recently taken over and they are systematically reducing the wage bill by constructive dismissals. There is a huge legal dept at head office which facilitates and supports their actions. My mate is hard working and reliable but suddenly they are picking holes in all he does. Looks like they are going to do him on two written warnings in such a way that he can't defend himself. Already they are taking on staff at minimum wage to slide someone straight in when he goes.

Welcome to Conservative values !

Its disgraceful, but to be fair , that sort of shit happened under labour as well. I'm totally disillusioned with all the main parties , I may vote UKIP as a protest but are under no illusions as to their ability to run the country.

 

[The Birdman]

I have a friend who works in a well known high street chain that is franchised. New franchise owners have recently taken over and they are systematically reducing the wage bill by constructive dismissals. There is a huge legal dept at head office which facilitates and supports their actions. My mate is hard working and reliable but suddenly they are picking holes in all he does. Looks like they are going to do him on two written warnings in such a way that he can't defend himself. Already they are taking on staff at minimum wage to slide someone straight in when he goes.



Welcome to Conservative values !

loads of independent business who are struggling against these chains we have lost loads of independents shops over the last twenty years caused by us who are happy to shop at these chains and now we are using the Internet and destroying our high streets so don't just blame the Tories look closer to home?

 

[vegster]

So that explains how the jobless total has gone down and still falling....and please don't say anything praiseworthy about the unions,they nearly bought this country to it's knees with their restricted practices...all they were doing was collecting political levies and keeping their masters in luxury....believe me...if you did'nt join a union you had little chance of work,does'nt matter how good you were at work...I've seen the union at work....not nice!

Try and find a job that is paying above minimum wage though ? currently demands on staff are to maximise profits despite the recession, but a pay rise in return ? no chance.

 

[vegster]

loads of independent business who are struggling against these chains we have lost loads of independents shops over the last twenty years caused by us who are happy to shop at these chains and now we are using the Internet and destroying our high streets so don't just blame the Tories look closer to home?

I don't want to name names but the company I'm referring to is one which has boomed over the last 25 years and in a recession does even better due to their " value prices " It's not an internet sales company either as the product is not easily bought/sold/distributed via internet. They are earning a fortune, which is increasing on the back of exploiting customers and their own staff.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

So that explains how the jobless total has gone down and still falling....and please don't say anything praiseworthy about the unions,they nearly bought this country to it's knees with their restricted practices...all they were doing was collecting political levies and keeping their masters in luxury....believe me...if you did'nt join a union you had little chance of work,does'nt matter how good you were at work...I've seen the union at work....not nice!

If you were to bother to find out, you might find that the Trade Unions are a very different animal to what they were 30 years ago. They do and say constructive things and work with employers to sort things out.

But realising thaat would not help sustain the prejudices of many people.

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So that explains how the jobless total has gone down and still falling....and please don't say anything praiseworthy about the unions,they nearly bought this country to it's knees with their restricted practices...all they were doing was collecting political levies and keeping their masters in luxury....believe me...if you did'nt join a union you had little chance of work,does'nt matter how good you were at work...I've seen the union at work....not nice!

If you were to bother to find out, you might find that the Trade Unions are a very different animal to what they were 30 years ago. They do and say constructive things and work with employers to sort things out.

But realising thaat would not help sustain the prejudices of many people.