Refs aren’t allowed to book the player for diving unless they have seen it themselves ie not as a result of VAR. Refs did not make this rule so it’s lose lose for them as their authority is undermined and VAR proponents can continue with the anti ref bitterness.
Neymar wasn't playing in that particular game, but you still might find this tickles your fancy...
Well, you say that but David Ellaray sits on IFAB introducing new laws all the time so a ref does make the laws!
They apply the rules but they invent the rubric for doing so. Apologies if I wasn't clear.
That doesn't really make sense. If the ref's didn't make the rule that they can't review yellow cards, how is them not being able to review yellow cards allowing VAR proponents to continue attacking them? Surely that is a criticism for whoever did make the rule?
Valid questions and rule changes seem so frequent these days that nobody seems to be able to keep up with it, including players, fans and pundits. Like many people I don’t know what handball is any more. I’m kind of hoping that refs and VAR refs do ! On the VAR debate we have discussed many times. I don’t think either of us is inclined to change our opinionThey apply the rules but they invent the rubric for doing so. Apologies if I wasn't clear.
I have been involved in scientific peer review and have seen how a combination of ambiguous rules and a weak rubric can lead to the proliferation of false findings. The key element is the rubric. It is no value to have a rubric that allows certain 'stakeholders' to game the system. In my research area rubrics are invented that use language like 'it is expected that' and 'where possible' this or that rule should be followed. The more badly written the rule (and you should take a look at the written rules of football - appalling in places) the more scope there is for those who are supposed to implement the rule to come up with a rubric that suits their interest first and foremost.
Referees invent rubrics that suit themselves first. I can't really blame them because all people reach for what they think serves their best interest, when given the opportunity. They can claim that what makes it easier for them makes it better for the game, too. But what suits refs most is maintaining their inviolate position as the match official in charge of the match. This means they have worked to create a rubric for VAR that minimizes its use so as to ensure the power to make a decision stays with the official in the black on the pitch.
As it happens, I think that VAR works well enough now. I have posted suggestions for improvements elsewhere and won't repeat myself today. I'm glad the ref yellow carded Neymar before the VAR check. Good rubric.
Here is a question that I should know the answer to but have confused myself over, perhaps because of a rubric change: If a player commits a foul that should result in a red card, will the referee be asked to look at the incident on a screen if he erroneously gives no card, erroneously gives a yellow card, or either? I have seen yellows upgraded to reds recently, but I am not sure how it can be deemed that it can be a clear and obvious error if a ref gives a yellow when a red would have been more appropriate. Or indeed the other way round. When it comes to handballs and fouls in the box, when it might be a matter of opinion, VAR is no longer asking refs to reconsider in most cases, and we have seen fouls and handball given or not given, with VAR not intruding either way, recently. So does this mean that if the issue is one of serious foul play anywhere on the pitch, the rubric is to reach for VAR to ensure a correct decision but, if the issue is not one of serious foul play, merely a trip in the box or handball, VAR normally keeps its nose out of it now? I find it hard to keep up with it all. It doesn't help when Johnny Pundit comes out with stuff like "it wasn't a penalty" when they mean "it was a penalty because we just saw it taken, but it shouldn't of been given". I'm probably overthinking this but I seem to be on a turbo Aspergers rush this week
I remember the tributes before that game to him like he’d died too.
He is a vocal supporter of that pillock who lost the general election in Brazil a while back and has been sending his equivalent of Proud Boys out (wearing Brazil football shirts) to agitate against the 'steal'. Hence the proliferation of the alternative green and yellow hooped shirt in Qatar in protest.
That's it. That's the weird old bollocks I was thinking about in my long ramble above. You have a credibly forensic mind
Kane would never get a gameJust wanted to share something beautiful:
Neymar second yellow card against Strasbourg 62'
Video Neymar second yellow card against Strasbourg 62' was uploaded to Streamin.me on Dec 28, 2022.streamin.me
The PL should pay whatever it takes to get that ref to England.
If only we had competent referees with some balls.Kane would never get a game
A lot of people here are also buying and wearing the blue shirt as they don't want to be associated with Bolsonaro.He is a vocal supporter of that pillock who lost the general election in Brazil a while back and has been sending his equivalent of Proud Boys out (wearing Brazil football shirts) to agitate against the 'steal'. Hence the proliferation of the alternative green and yellow hooped shirt in Qatar in protest.
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It’s the canarinho that has the newly appropriated far right political affiliation with Bolsonaristas - ie the famous traditional colours of green and yellow (worn by the likes of Pele etc) I understood the majority of Brazilians supported da Silva not Bolsonaro (as did most of the WC team.) but could be wrong. Groups of protesters against da Silva’s victory certainly took to wearing the canarinho in Brazil. But in Qatar?
Have I got the wrong end of the stick again? I thought that Bolsonaristas had hijacked the yellow shirts (with green trim) not the green and yellow hoops. I have never seen yellow and green hoops before. On average during the WC it seemed that half the supporters were wearing plain yellow shirts with green trim and half were wearing green and yellow hoops.
