[Politics] Next Prime Minister

[Sussex Nomad]

No just pointing out what Farage said....Sorry it doesnt fit your memory, and yes, I am a Socialist, but so are some prominent leavers.
Is this all a left vs right battle to you then?

I have no idea what Farage says, I spend very little time listening to him.

 

[daveinplzen]

I have no idea what Farage says, I spend very little time listening to him.

Natch

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Natch

I just tried to define 'natch' on google, no such word exists, have you been abroad to long?

 

[daveinplzen]

I just tried to define 'natch' on google, no such word exists, have you been abroad to long?

No, I havnt. Maybe you can figure it out. Who knows, it would be a nice surprise.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

No, I havnt. Maybe you can figure it out. Who knows, it would be a nice surprise.

Ok - pssst do I humour him or get him locked up?

 

[BLOCK F]

I voted Remain, but accept that Leave won.
The moaners on here who won't accept the result drive me nuts.
For heaven's sake, shut up!

 

[daveinplzen]

I voted Remain, but accept that Leave won.
The moaners on here who won't accept the result drive me nuts.
For heaven's sake, shut up!

Who is moaning? Merely pointed out a documented fact, in response to a leavers post. Sorry if it offended.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Who is moaning?

None of the remainers anywhere ever, and definitely not on NSC.

These are for you

 

[daveinplzen]

None of the remainers anywhere ever, and definitely not on NSC.

These are for you

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I can see you are not comfortable talking about your post, and would rather try and insult, and even try to be funny, in order to avoid doing so. Good luck with that.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I can see you are not comfortable talking about your post, and would rather try and insult, and even try to be funny, in order to avoid doing so. Good luck with that.

Please feel free to point out any insult and please feel free to talk about my post - whichever one you have in particular, I can assure you I'll happily answer. Enjoy the box, and the frogs.

 

[daveinplzen]

Please feel free to point out any insult and please feel free to talk about my post - whichever one you have in particular, I can assure you I'll happily answer. Enjoy the box, and the frogs.

Another day, im leaving work.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Another day, im leaving work.

Ah, convenient, safe drive.

 

[pork pie]

Something else Leavers like to do "We already had a vote, so we don't need another one..." ... neatly forgetting that anti-EU campaigners never stopped pushing for exit even after the 1975 election produced a far clearer result than the 2016 referendum did.

Setting that aside, the 2016 Referendum was flawed for a number of reasons. A few years later, we now know a lot more about what Brexit actually entails (although we're still none the wiser on exactly what Brexit we're going to end up with). We also know a lot more about how *some* pro-Brexit (and pro-Remain, to be fair) campaigners attempted to subvert democracy during the referendum. The polling shows a clear shift in public opinion.

The whole idea that holding another vote before implementing Brexit is "undemocratic" that the hardline Leavers keep pushing is a load of bollocks. Holding a "confirmatory" vote would be the most democratic way of solving the problem as long as it is handled appropriately. Especially given that, 3 years on, there is now a significant number of UK citizens who were not eligible to vote in the first referendum who are now eligible. They should be given a chance to cast their vote on a better structured, better defined question.

Something I suspect many hardline "No Deal" supporters forget is that there's probably a small, but still substantial, subset of "Leave" voters who would vote against a No Deal Brexit. While Leave support is still well above 40%, I suspect that "No Deal Brexit" is actually in the 30-35% range and would struggle to win a referendum.




Personally, if we did hold a second (sorry ... third) referendum on EU membership, it should go as follows:

Q1. Should the UK remain a member of the EU?

- Leave
- Remain

Q2. If a majority vote to Leave the EU, should the UK Leave with or without a deal?

- No Deal
- With Deal (May's deal, or whatever our next PM can conjure up)


Should the next PM try to force through No Deal and abandon any form of actual deal, then it becomes even simpler:

Q. Should the UK Remain a member of the EU or Leave with no deal?

- Remain
- No Deal

That would be the vote to join a common market, but not the crap that has happened since in trying to forge a United States of Europe.

 

[BLOCK F]

Who is moaning? Merely pointed out a documented fact, in response to a leavers post. Sorry if it offended.

Dave, plenty on here haven't stopped moaning.
Personally, I just groan about friggin' Brexit dominating the news each and every day.
As I said, I voted remain, but just want the whole bloomin' business settled!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I voted Remain, but accept that Leave won.
The moaners on here who won't accept the result drive me nuts.
For heaven's sake, shut up!

So you see something illegal, and corrupt but because it happened to win a poll, we've all got to shut up? Never. I will fight it until my dying day.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I will fight it until my dying day.

Good for you. I like conviction, an admirable quality.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

So you see something illegal, and corrupt but because it happened to win a poll, we've all got to shut up? Never. I will fight it until my dying day.

Ohhhh it was illegal and corrupt now, I guess this will end up in court then? Oh...

 

[Grombleton]

Would have had a wider audience on CBeebies.

That'll interrupt your daily viewing though.

 

[birthofanorange]

I'm not one of those that think Leavers are 'thick' - the vast majority are not, although some clearly are (and their presence is clear for all to see, on here).
I'd like for a moment to put myself in a Leaver's shoes (although I am not, and never was).
Let's assume I voted Leave in the referendum, and I'm one of the not-thick brigade. I was given a simple 'In/Out' vote, and for my own reasons AT THE TIME, I voted to Leave.
Even as a Leaver, I would have (hopefully) watched, listened and learned more, during the ensuing 3 years, and come to see that things were either not as presented at the time (to me), as in Leaving would be easy, etc...etc..etc.. and that some of the things I was told were clearly untrue.
Now, I would still hold dear that democratic process, but I would certainly consider that I KNOW MORE ABOUT IT NOW, and being one of the non-thick Leavers, I would see that some people (like my 'Leaver' self), might not be so convinced that it's definitely the way to go, and it would be Just (and Democratic) to be asked again, if it (being what it now appears to be) is what we, both Leavers and Remainers STILL want.
I have no beef with people reconsidering their views - it happens in small ways, in everyday life. I don't dig my heels in and stubbornly stick to what I may have thought was a good idea in the first place.
No, because I am a non-thick Leaver/Remainer, I would consider it both prudent and eminently sensible to see if I (and everyone else) still felt the same way, three years on - before it is too late.
That's not undemocratic - it's common bleedin' sense.
Only a true thickie would think otherwise.
And most of us (on both sides of the fence) are not.

 

[KZNSeagull]

Has the brexit thread been closed or something?