[Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

[BenGarfield]

Do you honestly, seriously and whole heartedly believe that? Good grief man.

Labour lost the election because JC is a muppet. Nothing more complicated than that.

wow - its that simple - whod have thought it

 

[Gwylan]

I’ve just watched a whole load of Northern ex Labour voters say on the news they were ex because they weren’t prepared to vote for Corbyn. Seems to bear out your theory.

Just seen research by Opinium that suggests that 45% of the Lab voters who defected to the Tories did so because of the leadership, while 31% did it because of Brexit. Interestingly, economic policies were quite low down, which suggests that the manifesto wasn't the biggest problem.

It does demonstrate the Corbyn wasn't the only problem but he was certainly the main one.

 

[razer]

wow - its that simple - whod have thought it

I would hazard a guess the millions that voted Tory .

 

[pastafarian]

What was the name of Lenny’s Gull’s Eye co editor?


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Bet you dont know what Sussex school he went to though

 

[clapham_gull]

Under our system completely meaningless to call out actual votes like that for one party.

Better to look at the average percentage of the popular vote (since 1997) of a left leaning v centre leaning Labour Party.

Centre leaning wins.

Peak Corbyn (2017 against a rubbish Tory PM) never matched Blair, and he just managed to take the Labour party back to 1987.

Those results are nothing to do with the oddness of FPTP and a disaster for the party.

It will take over a decade for the opposition to recover, terrible for democracy.

 

[pastafarian]

It will be a woman , preferably a Northern one and far away from the Islington/London mafia that need to own this defeat. I told you all years ago Corbyn wasn’t the messiah and he needs to quit so the party can move forward

Rare bit of sense from Ernest.
Keir Starmer may shore up the metropolitan vote and appeal to the liberal types but if Labour want to win another election they need to have a complete rethink and appeal to a wider audience.

 

[Gwylan]

Rare bit of sense from Ernest.
Keir Starmer may shore up the metropolitan vote and appeal to the liberal types but if Labour want to win another election they need to have a complete rethink and appeal to a wider audience.

I see Starmer drifting already and RLB and Rayner are shortening.

I'm going to put some of my hard-earned on Rayner. As I said earlier, she ticks all the boxes - the next leader has to be northern and she's sharper than RLB.

I see that Miliband (D) and Cooper are high in the betting - who on earth would waste their money on those? They should be about 200-1

 

[Wozza]

Just seen research by Opinium that suggests that 45% of the Lab voters who defected to the Tories did so because of the leadership, while 31% did it because of Brexit. Interestingly, economic policies were quite low down, which suggests that the manifesto wasn't the biggest problem.

It does demonstrate the Corbyn wasn't the only problem but he was certainly the main one.

This is an interesting thread on the subject, from someone who spent 120 hours canvassing in and out of London.

https://twitter.com/LukePagarani/status/1205487970897342464

 

[Eeyore]

I see Starmer drifting already and RLB and Rayner are shortening.

I'm going to put some of my hard-earned on Rayner. As I said earlier, she ticks all the boxes - the next leader has to be northern and she's sharper than RLB.

I see that Miliband (D) and Cooper are high in the betting - who on earth would waste their money on those? They should be about 200-1

Angela Rayner ticks a lot of boxes for sure. Centre-left. Strong character. Great life experience.

May take a while for the right-wing's immediate efforts to present her as the female Corbyn to calm down. They'll be a lot of rotten stuff.

But I think she may bring the heartlands back.

 

[clapham_gull]

wow - its that simple - whod have thought it

I don't think he is a muppet, but outside of the Labour party he became very unpopular very quickly after the last election.

Elections are lost and Corbyn was the problem. I don't think it was all due to his policies either as (I think) the Conservatives somewhat failed outside their core vote to convince people Labour would bankrupt the party.

Lovely bloke but didn't really want to be leader and make decisions. Caught up with him in the end.

Labour need a woman the other side of the despatch box. Firstly on the basis they have never had one and Johnson will really struggle against one.

He loses his temper in debate very very quickly and it won't be a good look.

 

[pastafarian]

I see Starmer drifting already and RLB and Rayner are shortening.

I'm going to put some of my hard-earned on Rayner. As I said earlier, she ticks all the boxes - the next leader has to be northern and she's sharper than RLB.

I see that Miliband (D) and Cooper are high in the betting - who on earth would waste their money on those? They should be about 200-1

Personally i would wait until the dust has settled, there is bound to be a period of in fighting and recriminations.
Too early to say who is going to come out unscathed or even if Corbyn trying to influence on his way out will cause potential leaders harm.
Keep an eye out for whoever hunkers down, stays out of a public binfest and keeps a low profile for a while......then bet big

 

[Bry Nylon]

He never sounds very jolly

 

[darkwolf666]

Just seen research by Opinium that suggests that 45% of the Lab voters who defected to the Tories did so because of the leadership, while 31% did it because of Brexit. Interestingly, economic policies were quite low down, which suggests that the manifesto wasn't the biggest problem.

It does demonstrate the Corbyn wasn't the only problem but he was certainly the main one.

I would suggest a large percentage of that 45% were telling porky pies and it was all about Brexit, but they wanted to make it look like they had thought about things. I mean, come on, who would jump straight from Labour to Tory, polar opposites... via LibDem would seem most logical option, unless they had an ulterior motive (Brexit)...

 

[Eeyore]

I would suggest a large percentage of that 45% were telling porky pies and it was all about Brexit, but they wanted to make it look like they had thought about things. I mean, come on, who would jump straight from Labour to Tory, polar opposites... via LibDem would seem most logical option, unless they had an ulterior motive (Brexit)...

It was about BREXIT. Just look at the working class areas that the Tories took and then look at their 2016 vote ! And then there is the BREXIT Party influence.

What it does do is make two automatic terms less nailed on than some think. With Corbyn gone and BREXIT no longer an issue the potential swing will be more greased than some think.

 

[Guinness Boy]

If only elections were fought against previous leaders of the same party using different electorate sizes, party make ups and constitutions to baseline the votes. We could start nationalising stuff today. Seems a bit undemocratic though.

 

[Gwylan]

It was about BREXIT. Just look at the working class areas that the Tories took and then look at their 2016 vote ! And then there is the BREXIT Party influence.

What it does do is make two automatic terms less nailed on than some think. With Corbyn gone and BREXIT no longer an issue the potential swing will be more greased than some think.

Yeah, I don't understand why people are saying Labour are out for two terms. By the time of the next election, we'll have had a Tory government for 14 years - it's very rare for one party to stay in power for that long: Blair's government didn't do it, Macmillan didn't do it and Major's government lost the next election when it reached 14 years.

This last election was particularly volatile with several million voting Tory purely because of Brexit, once that's no longer an issue, they'll need of lot of persuading to stay. It could happen but it would mean Johnson doing things that don't come naturally to a Conservative government

 

[Live by the sea]

Labour lost because of Corbyn’s hard left credentials, his relationship with Ira and Hamas and dictators in certain South American countries, his distaste of Britain because of his contempt for authority and its institutions and his failure to make a decision on Brexit and his disregard for dealing properly with anti semetism probably because many of his much larger fan base ( Jewish people only make up 0.5%) of the population share some very negative views about Jewish people as they use Israel as an excuse to justify this so he didn’t want to alienate his large base of bame support. All very embarrassing but he needs to take the blame .

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I would suggest a large percentage of that 45% were telling porky pies and it was all about Brexit, but they wanted to make it look like they had thought about things. I mean, come on, who would jump straight from Labour to Tory, polar opposites... via LibDem would seem most logical option, unless they had an ulterior motive (Brexit)...

I’m not sure on what basis you can make this claim about what people are saying. Going from voting Labour to Tory is not the jump you think it is for the Northern working class. My in-laws are a mixture of working class Tory and Labour voters. All from the same background. I know it is difficult to understand for the metropolitan Southern Left but many people have no interest in the concerns and obsessions of middle class Liberals.

 

[Eeyore]

Labour lost because of Corbyn’s hard left credentials, his relationship with Ira and Hamas and dictators in certain South American countries, his distaste of Britain because of his contempt for authority and its institutions and his failure to make a decision on Brexit and his disregard for dealing properly with anti semetism probably because many of his much larger fan base ( Jewish people only make up 0.5%) of the population share some very negative views about Jewish people as they use Israel as an excuse to justify this so he didn’t want to alienate his large base of bame support. All very embarrassing but he needs to take the blame .

Shame Mrs Thatcher s relationship with a murderous South American dictator was never an issue. I guess it all depends on how folk read things.

 

[fleet]

They won’t. Jess Phillips, Yvette Cooper or Hilary Benn have no chance.

Hilary Benn would be my choice, but no chance as you say