[Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

[Hampster Gull]

Trouble is votes for the Tories has gone from 8.8m in 2005 to 14m in 2019, with the Libs dropping from 6m to 3.7m over the same period. It’s like having a window into a wake

 

[Iggle Piggle]

I was at a meeting of my trade union branch last night where two right-wing national full-time officials turned up

Was it Maggie Thatcher and Adolf risen from the dead as part of a séance?

If trade union officials are right wing in your head, lost cause.

 

[drew]

I wonder why that doesn't include 1997

Could it be that Labour polled 13.5m votes!!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I agree with most of what you're saying. Jess Phillips for me. What I'm not quite following is what you're saying on Brexit. Of course, it will now get done (to coin a phrase) by the end of next month, but the public will soon realise that only the first stage has been completed. The rest of it will still be with us or 'remain' with us (to coin a phrase), as will the multiple trade deals that will need to 'get done' although in reality they'll drag on and on. Then there's the issue of whether Brexit actually delivers positive outcomes, especially in relation to the economy. From now on, Brexit will be indelibly associated with Johnson and the Tories.
It'd be a dereliction of duty for an opposition party not to continue to point out that Johnson et al campaigned for Brexit, made numerous promises about what it would bring, and if things depart from this, then the public need to be made keenly aware that he owns all of it.

I’ve heard this claim many times recently; that only a select few people know that once we leave we will then enter the next stage of negotiating a trade deal. I’m not sure how these few people reached a point where they felt like owners of this secret and I am not sure what the evidence is for the rest of us being so ignorant of what happens next. The trade deal was much discussed during the election campaign and it has only taken 3 years to reach this point because of blocking by Labour, the Liberals and the Speaker. People know this which in large part explains why Redcar, Workington and Blyth are now Conservative seats.

 

[Guinness Boy]

My god thats eery do you think we are the same person - although probably not - I suspect JRG may not know about Gulls Eye, what the original Chicken Run was or who Lenny Rider was/is.

What was the name of Lenny’s Gull’s Eye co editor?


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[GrizzlingGammon]

Maybe David Miliband could be tempted back. The brother that should have been leader.

 

[Guinness Boy]

It’s 1979 again. Which means Labour will come to their senses in 2034. Good luck kids.


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[Wardy's twin]

The Blairites have spent decades expelling people from the LP that they felt were a threat to their power and control - since Corbyn was elected leader the Blairite bureaucracy have either expelled or refused membership to over 170,000 people - because they were supporters of Corbyn and his policies.

In political life there are two key democratic processes - the right of party members to select the candidate that is representing the party - and the right to decide policy through an annual conference and demand that political representatives implement these policies - the Blairites have demonstrated an utter contempt for the democratic process within the LP since the 1980s. Corbyn should now struggle to democratise the LP against the Blairites.

Those who are not members of the LP can then decide whether to support them or not - in the knowledge of the policies of the LP are and that those who are elected will implement those policies - and that is how the political process should operate.

The shambles that occurred yesterday is the result of a number of factors -
1. Corbyn failing to stick to his Leave position and caving into the Blairites on the issue of Brexit
2. The Blairites sabotaging the election campaign - those who were not standing spending large sums on advertising telling voters not to vote for Corbyn - and many those who were standing telling people that they wouldn't support Corbyn for PM
3. This has been the culmination of 3 years of active sabotage by the Blairites
4. A disgraceful, deceitful and scurrilous propaganda campaign against Corbyn accusing him of racism and anti-semitism (and a whole load of other crap besides) - not surprising given that most of the media in Britain is owned by billionaires.
5. Momentum also bear some responsibility for failing to build a mass, campaigning opposition to the Blairites, instead spending a lot of their time attacking others on the left who supported Corbyn.

As for 'listening to the people' - this is a soundbite - Corbyn's policies of defending the NHS, re-nationalising public services, defending education, reversing the austerity cuts etc - are popular among working class people - this election was not about those policies - it was about 'getting brexit done'.

sorry but you cannot divorce BREXIT from the rest , BREXIT drives the rest as it will decide our economy and Labour got it spectacularly wrong from the start. The EU has delivered a lot of excellent policy on working conditions which the Labour party should have played on, they didn't they then ended up chasing the game. They looked indecisive and that among the picture painted by the Tories killed them. the world has changed...

 

[Hampster Gull]

Maybe David Miliband could be tempted back. The brother that should have been leader.

N9w that would be a winning ticket. But Momentum won’t allow it

 

[razer]

Might as well get Blair back if you think Milliband is the answer

I wouldn't put it past that snake to rear his very ugly Joker like head in the coming months. He always thought he was the Messiah.

 

[Bry Nylon]

I was at a meeting of my trade union branch last night where two right-wing national full-time officials turned up and attempted to browbeat the membership who attended into nominating a right-wing candidate for national VP over a left-wing candidate. The branch had previously nominated the left candidate and they had ruled the nomination out on procedural grounds. They made all kinds of threats (backed up by their cronies in the branch) about what would befall the members of the branch if they failed to make the nomination - but a majority of the members of the branch resisted and we decided to hold another meeting next week, where the bureaucrats would not be in attendance. We will mobilise the membership to attend (about 20% of the branch membership were at them meeting - we will get at least 80% next week) and we will then make the decision based on what policies are being put forward by both candidates.

Do you ever feel life is passing you by?

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

The Blairites have spent decades expelling people from the LP that they felt were a threat to their power and control - since Corbyn was elected leader the Blairite bureaucracy have either expelled or refused membership to over 170,000 people - because they were supporters of Corbyn and his policies.

In political life there are two key democratic processes - the right of party members to select the candidate that is representing the party - and the right to decide policy through an annual conference and demand that political representatives implement these policies - the Blairites have demonstrated an utter contempt for the democratic process within the LP since the 1980s. Corbyn should now struggle to democratise the LP against the Blairites.

Those who are not members of the LP can then decide whether to support them or not - in the knowledge of the policies of the LP are and that those who are elected will implement those policies - and that is how the political process should operate.

The shambles that occurred yesterday is the result of a number of factors -
1. Corbyn failing to stick to his Leave position and caving into the Blairites on the issue of Brexit
2. The Blairites sabotaging the election campaign - those who were not standing spending large sums on advertising telling voters not to vote for Corbyn - and many those who were standing telling people that they wouldn't support Corbyn for PM
3. This has been the culmination of 3 years of active sabotage by the Blairites
4. A disgraceful, deceitful and scurrilous propaganda campaign against Corbyn accusing him of racism and anti-semitism (and a whole load of other crap besides) - not surprising given that most of the media in Britain is owned by billionaires.
5. Momentum also bear some responsibility for failing to build a mass, campaigning opposition to the Blairites, instead spending a lot of their time attacking others on the left who supported Corbyn.

As for 'listening to the people' - this is a soundbite - Corbyn's policies of defending the NHS, re-nationalising public services, defending education, reversing the austerity cuts etc - are popular among working class people - this election was not about those policies - it was about 'getting brexit done'.

You’re bonkers

 

[Gwylan]

I agree with most of what you're saying. Jess Phillips for me. What I'm not quite following is what you're saying on Brexit. Of course, it will now get done (to coin a phrase) by the end of next month, but the public will soon realise that only the first stage has been completed. The rest of it will still be with us or 'remain' with us (to coin a phrase), as will the multiple trade deals that will need to 'get done' although in reality they'll drag on and on. Then there's the issue of whether Brexit actually delivers positive outcomes, especially in relation to the economy. From now on, Brexit will be indelibly associated with Johnson and the Tories.
It'd be a dereliction of duty for an opposition party not to continue to point out that Johnson et al campaigned for Brexit, made numerous promises about what it would bring, and if things depart from this, then the public need to be made keenly aware that he owns all of it.

I agree with all of that: what I don't see is why it makes a difference whether the leader is a remainer or leaver. It only makes a difference if a leader is trying to rejoin the EU - and I can't see that happening immediately.

No, if Johnson cocks things up, he can be criticised - and it won't matter what the leader voted for in the referendum

 

[razer]

The Blairites have spent decades expelling people from the LP that they felt were a threat to their power and control - since Corbyn was elected leader the Blairite bureaucracy have either expelled or refused membership to over 170,000 people - because they were supporters of Corbyn and his policies.

In political life there are two key democratic processes - the right of party members to select the candidate that is representing the party - and the right to decide policy through an annual conference and demand that political representatives implement these policies - the Blairites have demonstrated an utter contempt for the democratic process within the LP since the 1980s. Corbyn should now struggle to democratise the LP against the Blairites.

Those who are not members of the LP can then decide whether to support them or not - in the knowledge of the policies of the LP are and that those who are elected will implement those policies - and that is how the political process should operate.

The shambles that occurred yesterday is the result of a number of factors -
1. Corbyn failing to stick to his Leave position and caving into the Blairites on the issue of Brexit
2. The Blairites sabotaging the election campaign - those who were not standing spending large sums on advertising telling voters not to vote for Corbyn - and many those who were standing telling people that they wouldn't support Corbyn for PM
3. This has been the culmination of 3 years of active sabotage by the Blairites
4. A disgraceful, deceitful and scurrilous propaganda campaign against Corbyn accusing him of racism and anti-semitism (and a whole load of other crap besides) - not surprising given that most of the media in Britain is owned by billionaires.
5. Momentum also bear some responsibility for failing to build a mass, campaigning opposition to the Blairites, instead spending a lot of their time attacking others on the left who supported Corbyn.

As for 'listening to the people' - this is a soundbite - Corbyn's policies of defending the NHS, re-nationalising public services, defending education, reversing the austerity cuts etc - are popular among working class people - this election was not about those policies - it was about 'getting brexit done'.

Do you honestly, seriously and whole heartedly believe that? Good grief man.

Labour lost the election because JC is a muppet. Nothing more complicated than that.

 

[Wardy's twin]

What was the name of Lenny’s Gull’s Eye co editor?


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are you interested in coeds

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Do you honestly, seriously and whole heartedly believe that? Good grief man.

Labour lost the election because JC is a muppet. Nothing more complicated than that.

He is as delusional as the woman who’s just been on Newsnight. Jack Straw was exasperated

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Do you honestly, seriously and whole heartedly believe that? Good grief man.

Labour lost the election because JC is a muppet. Nothing more complicated than that.

I’ve just watched a whole load of Northern ex Labour voters say on the news they were ex because they weren’t prepared to vote for Corbyn. Seems to bear out your theory.

 

[Wardy's twin]

the most important stat on their is how JC managed to loose 2.6 million votes from 2017 to 2019 the rest is irrelevance because we lost when we should have won.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Do you ever feel life is passing you by?

He never sounds very jolly

 

[BenGarfield]

What was the name of Lenny’s Gull’s Eye co editor?


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