[Politics] Next leader of the Labour party

[Surrey Phil]

The fact that Corbyn doesn’t take a hint and just go, shows all that is wrong with Labour. What practical purpose does it serve to hang on like that?

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

absolutly, Corbyn should lead the long march through the Labour institutions and purge the moderates, install Momentum candidates in all LP to see through his mission. i'd be delighted.

I would not be in favour of installing Momentum candidates - I am in favour of party members deciding the party candidates - not a monarchical right to continued power (if any party attempted to do this in Ireland - with the possible exception of Sinn Fein - there would be open warfare among the membership - and that the Irish Tories. The left that supports Corbyn is far wider (and more politically able) than Momentum.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Jess Phillips would be a disaster.

She’s very very marmite.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

The fact that Corbyn doesn’t take a hint and just go, shows all that is wrong with Labour. What practical purpose does it serve to hang on like that?

Being begged to stay.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see him run for leader again.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Angela Rayner.

 

[jakarta]

Being begged to stay.

I wouldn’t be shocked to see him run for leader again.

Would be marvellous news for the Tory Party.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

Would be marvellous news for the Tory Party.

I guarantee you that the Tories would much prefer a Blairite leading the LP than Corbyn - they could keep banging on about Brexit and not have to worry about being criticised for their attacks on the NHS and public services.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

 

[Bulldog]

I guarantee you that the Tories would much prefer a Blairite leading the LP than Corbyn - they could keep banging on about Brexit and not have to worry about being criticised for their attacks on the NHS and public services.

What utter rubbish you arrogant fool.

Do you really think that centre left Labour voters dont care as much about the NHS and public services as the far left?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Diane Abbott would be a perfect fit.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

A Northern, working class Leaver.
More likely to end up with a Southern, student issues Remainer.

 

[Hastings gull]

The Blairites have spent decades expelling people from the LP that they felt were a threat to their power and control - since Corbyn was elected leader the Blairite bureaucracy have either expelled or refused membership to over 170,000 people - because they were supporters of Corbyn and his policies.

In political life there are two key democratic processes - the right of party members to select the candidate that is representing the party - and the right to decide policy through an annual conference and demand that political representatives implement these policies - the Blairites have demonstrated an utter contempt for the democratic process within the LP since the 1980s. Corbyn should now struggle to democratise the LP against the Blairites.

Those who are not members of the LP can then decide whether to support them or not - in the knowledge of the policies of the LP are and that those who are elected will implement those policies - and that is how the political process should operate.

The shambles that occurred yesterday is the result of a number of factors -
1. Corbyn failing to stick to his Leave position and caving into the Blairites on the issue of Brexit
2. The Blairites sabotaging the election campaign - those who were not standing spending large sums on advertising telling voters not to vote for Corbyn - and many those who were standing telling people that they wouldn't support Corbyn for PM
3. This has been the culmination of 3 years of active sabotage by the Blairites
4. A disgraceful, deceitful and scurrilous propaganda campaign against Corbyn accusing him of racism and anti-semitism (and a whole load of other crap besides) - not surprising given that most of the media in Britain is owned by billionaires.
5. Momentum also bear some responsibility for failing to build a mass, campaigning opposition to the Blairites, instead spending a lot of their time attacking others on the left who supported Corbyn.

As for 'listening to the people' - this is a soundbite - Corbyn's policies of defending the NHS, re-nationalising public services, defending education, reversing the austerity cuts etc - are popular among working class people - this election was not about those policies - it was about 'getting brexit done'.

You remind me of the chap interviewed on BBC last night in Leeds, at about 2.30 am, when even Andrew Neil gave up, as he utterly refused to accept that anything was wrong with Corbyn or Labour. The Blairites are totally to blame, aren't they? Anyway, I am not bothered, and as I wrote; if you and your ilk want to carry on in the face of general public opposition, then be my guest, and blame others until eternity.

 

[Weststander]

The fact that Corbyn doesn’t take a hint and just go, shows all that is wrong with Labour. What practical purpose does it serve to hang on like that?

That’s not incompetence. He’s craftily ensuring that the next leader’s views are no less left than his, before he goes. Always a stunningly clever strategist, he’s determined to give Johnson as great a chance as possible in 2024.

 

[fleet]

Momentum have seized the party sadly, can’t see them letting a centre left leader come in

 

[Hastings gull]

I would not be in favour of installing Momentum candidates - I am in favour of party members deciding the party candidates - not a monarchical right to continued power (if any party attempted to do this in Ireland - with the possible exception of Sinn Fein - there would be open warfare among the membership - and that the Irish Tories. The left that supports Corbyn is far wider (and more politically able) than Momentum.

So the membership will not be attracted to Momentum candidates -now that really is a first. So you are against monarchical and continued power, yet only recently stated that Blairites should get their just deserts on de-selection, so that the "correct" views can prevail. It sounds rather like you don't want anyone else with contrary views to have power.

 

[pb21]

The problem for Labour is how do they remain a party following the principles of liberalism and expect socially conservative working class people vote for them.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

You remind me of the chap interviewed on BBC last night in Leeds, at about 2.30 am, when even Andrew Neil gave up, as he utterly refused to accept that anything was wrong with Corbyn or Labour.

Where did I ever claim that there was nothing wrong with Corbyn ? - in fact I have repeatedly criticised Corbyn for his approach to brexit - for compromising with the Blairites (and he is also wrong on the national question in Scotland) - that doesn't mean that Corbyn did not have the interests of working class people at heart.

The Blairites are totally to blame, aren't they?

The Blairites are who they are - neo-liberals, pro-EU bureaucracy, pro-imperialism, pro-rich elites - all I am doing is recognising their political outlook.

Anyway, I am not bothered, and as I wrote; if you and your ilk want to carry on in the face of general public opposition, then be my guest, and blame others until eternity.

Is the general public opposed to the preservation of the NHS?

Is the general public opposed to the privatisation of the NHS?

Is the general public opposed to the re-nationalisation of the railways and other transport?

Is the general public opposed to the privatisation of the education system?

Is the general public opposed to increased funding in education?

Is the general public opposed to increased taxes on the rich to fund public services and help for the poor?

Is the general public opposed to policies that would eliminate the need for food banks?

Is the general public opposed to the gentrification of urban areas and the elimination of public housing?

etc.

 

[Hastings gull]

That’s not incompetence. He’s craftily ensuring that the next leader’s views are no less left than his, before he goes. Always a stunningly clever strategist, he’s determined to give Johnson as great a chance as possible in 2024.

Most folk would have resigned now and let matters develop, but not our Jezza, who will campaign, as he loves to do, to ensure that his cronies stay in power, even if it flies in the face of public opinion.

 

[Questions]

Labour needs a competent public performer who will put the right noses out of joint (on both sides), capable of laying into Johnson as and when he cocks up (as he inevitably will) and is prepared to "tell it like it is". A proper dose of salts.

For me, there's only one candidate for this. Jess Phillips.

I like Jess Phillips but she gets emotional.....

What a shame that that will probably count against her.

 

[Jolly Red Giant]

The problem for Labour is how do they remain a party following the principles of liberalism and expect socially conservative working class people vote for them.

Labour should not be a liberal party - it was founded as the socialist political wing of the trade union movement.

What is your evidence for suggesting that working class people are 'socially conservative'?