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[Politics] Next Conservative Leader - Rishi Sunak

Who should be the next leader of the conservative party?

  • Boris

    Votes: 48 17.8%
  • Therese Coffey

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Rishi Sunak

    Votes: 107 39.8%
  • Penny Mourdant

    Votes: 31 11.5%
  • Ben Wallace

    Votes: 21 7.8%
  • Jeremy Hunt

    Votes: 4 1.5%
  • Mick Gove

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Suella Braverman

    Votes: 4 1.5%
  • Chris Grayling

    Votes: 11 4.1%
  • Matt Hancock

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Sir Graham Brady

    Votes: 6 2.2%
  • Jacob Rees-Mogg

    Votes: 18 6.7%
  • Dom Raab

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nadine Dorries

    Votes: 11 4.1%
  • Pretty Patel

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    269
  • Poll closed .


Sid and the Sharknados

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It genuinely beggars belief Johnson is even mentioned as a potential candidate. We’re ruined.
356 Conservative MPs for them to choose from, and they're considering the bloke who was kicked out in disgrace about 3months ago, is under investigation for misleading parliament and has been on holiday for the duration of the current crisis.
It does raise the question of why they think we should vote for them, when they clearly have such a low opinion of themselves.
 




mejonaNO12 aka riskit

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Dec 4, 2003
21,865
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As a Tory voter, .......
Genuine question as (I mentioned earlier in the thread) I'm fascinated by anyone that says they are a supporter of a political party for this exact reason.

Would you STILL vote for them today in a GE? Despite everything? Because you are a declared supporter?
 




Sid and the Sharknados

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Genuine question as (I mentioned earlier in the thread) I'm fascinated by anyone that says they are a supporter of a political party for this exact reason.

Would you STILL vote for them today in a GE? Despite everything? Because you are a declared supporter?
My grandmother would always describe herself as a lifelong Labour supporter.
Further questioning would reveal that she had not, at any point in her life, ever voted for a Labour candidate in a general election.
 








Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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Genuine question as (I mentioned earlier in the thread) I'm fascinated by anyone that says they are a supporter of a political party for this exact reason.

Would you STILL vote for them today in a GE? Despite everything? Because you are a declared supporter?
I saw this fella earlier on the BBC live feed.

:shrug: :dunce:

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Super Steve Earle

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Feb 23, 2009
8,880
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That's a nasty, peevish and mendacious post.

Your tories voted for the war in Iraq, and the largest number opposing (or abstaining) were labour.



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If you read about the 'dodgy dossier' it was never stated that Blair 'lied'. This is the spin that his opponents, primarily disgruntled members of labour's hard left, the peevish SWP, and the sorts who are always calling for boycotting Israel used. It does not behove a conservative like you to repeat such tripe, and by and large mainstream tories don't do so and never did.

The dossier was not the justification for the war. The repeated disregard of the UN and the efforts of Blix justified considering an invasion.

Kelly killed himself after he was missquoted and misslead by two journalists, Watts and Gilligan which made him think he'd let the country down, with the coup de grace being the defenestration by Lib Dem MP Andrew McKinlay (an opportunist opponent of all war, any war, as per liberal policy, the clowns):

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After the hearing Kelly described MacKinlay to his daughter as an "utter bastard"."

(plus Kelly had other issues too; a noble but frail man).

Those who blame Blair for Kelly's death are fools or knaves.

Don't you imagine that if there was genuine scope for doing down Blair and damaging Labour by picking at the Iraq war and the dossier, the tories wouldn't still be at it? FFS!


Everyone knows that had the tories been in charge the outcome would have been the same - a war but with no exit strategy.

The tories learned from backing Blair and Blix with no exit strategy, by backing Brexit with no strategy :facepalm:

You stick with your tories if it makes you feel happier, but if you need to justify this by claiming Blair was as bigger liar as Johnson, frankly, I feel a bit sorry for you :shrug:
They are not my Tories Harry, I won't be voting for them in the next election nor did I vote for Brexit. I don't need to justify anything, but I despised Blair in his later years and frankly still can't stand the man.
 




Guinness Boy

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I saw this fella earlier on the BBC live feed.

:shrug: :dunce:

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In a few months he can use that exact sentence again after Boris takes over again, gets convicted of misleading the house, has a bunch of ministerial resignations and triggers yet another leadership election, which will be conducted between Mordaunt, Truss (actually, she may have been useless but at least she wasn't corrupt!) and Sunak. And Sunak will still be too Asian to win the members' vote.
 


nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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All he needs is 100 of the looneys to back him. And he will get that.
Then the arch looneys (the Tory members) will wave him through.

He can't lose - he will get at least 120 MP's backing him.

Even if Sunak gets 200, Johnson will get over 100, so will be our next PM.

Switch the lights out - those that still work!!!
You got it. I just cannot see the Tory membership voting for Sunak.

1) The personality cult still lives on, this despite all the lies and corruption
2) There is a significant minority that would not tolerate anyone of colour as PM

I know a fair few Tory voters most are alarmed Johnson is even being talked about
 


Eric the meek

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In a few months he can use that exact sentence again after Boris takes over again, gets convicted of misleading the house, has a bunch of ministerial resignations and triggers yet another leadership election, which will be conducted between Mordaunt, Truss (actually, she may have been useless but at least she wasn't corrupt!) and Sunak. And Sunak will still be too Asian to win the members' vote.
I regard it as nailed on that Liz Truss will be given a job in Boris's new cabinet. They could be a tag team. Truss out, Boris in. Boris out, Truss in.
 




Bob!

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Jul 5, 2003
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If Sunak wins more than 50% of MPs vote, does he win outright or does it go to the members still?

The first hurdle for any candidate (Only Mourdant has declared so far) is to get 100 nominations from MP's to be able to get on to the ballot paper.
An MP does not have to nominate anyone, so there may well be less than 357 nominations.

There may well be only one candidate with the required number of nominations.
If just the one this person will become Conservative Party leader, and therefore PM on Monday

If there is more than one candidate then ballot(s) of MP's will be held.

If there are 3 candidates then the first ballot will eliminate the one with the lowest number of votes.

The final ballot will be an indicative vote where MP's will indicate to the party members who is their preferred candidate.
(The 1922 hope is that the candidate with the least votes stands down at this stage).

If neither of the candidates stand down at this point, however, the party will hold an “expedited, binding, online vote of Conservative Party members” to choose the next leader.
 


Motogull

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Sep 16, 2005
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The very thought of The bungle**** returning as PM is depressing enough. I properly hate him. He'll take the piss big time.
 


raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
7,114
Wiltshire
Its amazing how fast the Tory party can shift the narrative when it comes to their own survival. Since Truss's resignation speech there has been a whirlwind of talk about the best person to bring about uniting "The Party ", who is the best leader to coalese around for the good of "The Party " and who would be able to get on with delivering "The Party " mandate going forward.....some talk of Government too but nowhere or rarely, has there been any mention of the suffering of the general populace at this time.. its all about them and their survival at all costs.

They will happily muddle through for the next 2 years as our country falls apart under the austerity to come. The system is broken when a government can treat its citizens so shamelessly.

This is only magnified by the insane suggestion that Johnson return to office. Absolute and ridiculous stupidity... he has a track record of lies, corruption and selfishness and might well be thrown out of his seat by the parliamentary investigation in to his, you guessed it, lies to parliament ! To hear some of the swivel eyed idiots praising his record and even adding " Don't forget, he nearly died of Covid " like it is some endorsement of ability is pitiful.

I think the warring Tory factions are going to drag us down for another 2 years of chaos and carnage before they can be voted out for a lifetime. What a terrible time to be alive.
I agree with all that, except your last sentence! We have to make the best fist of living in our time - don't let the bastards grind us down.
 




raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
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In a few months he can use that exact sentence again after Boris takes over again, gets convicted of misleading the house, has a bunch of ministerial resignations and triggers yet another leadership election, which will be conducted between Mordaunt, Truss (actually, she may have been useless but at least she wasn't corrupt!) and Sunak. And Sunak will still be too Asian to win the members' vote.
And Boris gets his second PM pension for life 🤔
 


Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
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The first hurdle for any candidate (Only Mourdant has declared so far) is to get 100 nominations from MP's to be able to get on to the ballot paper.
An MP does not have to nominate anyone, so there may well be less than 357 nominations.

There may well be only one candidate with the required number of nominations.
If just the one this person will become Conservative Party leader, and therefore PM on Monday

If there is more than one candidate then ballot(s) of MP's will be held.

If there are 3 candidates then the first ballot will eliminate the one with the lowest number of votes.

The final ballot will be an indicative vote where MP's will indicate to the party members who is their preferred candidate.
(The 1922 hope is that the candidate with the least votes stands down at this stage).

If neither of the candidates stand down at this point, however, the party will hold an “expedited, binding, online vote of Conservative Party members” to choose the next leader.
Yes to all that, but need to add that if one candidate gets over 100 nominations in the first round, and the others don't, then that candidate is our new PM.
 


ManOfSussex

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Apr 11, 2016
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Apparently one of my Great, Great Grandfathers may have been Irish born. If Johnson comes back as PM I ******* wish I had been.
 


Bob!

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Jul 5, 2003
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The first hurdle for any candidate (Only Mourdant has declared so far) is to get 100 nominations from MP's to be able to get on to the ballot paper.
An MP does not have to nominate anyone, so there may well be less than 357 nominations.

There may well be only one candidate with the required number of nominations.
If just the one this person will become Conservative Party leader, and therefore PM on Monday


If there is more than one candidate then ballot(s) of MP's will be held.

If there are 3 candidates then the first ballot will eliminate the one with the lowest number of votes.

The final ballot will be an indicative vote where MP's will indicate to the party members who is their preferred candidate.
(The 1922 hope is that the candidate with the least votes stands down at this stage).

If neither of the candidates stand down at this point, however, the party will hold an “expedited, binding, online vote of Conservative Party members” to choose the next leader.

Yes to all that, but need to add that if one candidate gets over 100 nominations in the first round, and the others don't, then that candidate is our new PM.

Yes.
That was in my post that you quoted
 






Guinness Boy

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I do wonder (and, yes, this is a late Friday night wonder) if Johnson had got his mates in the press to back Truss once he'd resigned, knowing full well she wasn't up to it and he'd get an opportunity to come back.

If so, he'd certainly got the measure of her (but then two minutes watching her does that) but hadn't at all reckoned on the speed with which the markets would kill her, nor the knock on effect on the middle class.

It's a good live example on conspiracy. That at a high level, someone like Johnson who knows all the right wing press could exert influence, giving some credence to the theory, before its effectiveness is disproved by something utterly unexpected and uncontrollable, in this case the financial markets.
 


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