[Football] Newcastle singing Emery as manager... or not

[nickbrighton]

It amazes me how individuals that clearly must be intelligent enough to have made the wealth they have can appear to be so disorganised and shambolic at running operations

I see your error, you think the wealth has been "earned" through hard work, clever investments and the like, however the individuals needed no intelligence to get their wealth, just fortunate to live on top of a huge oil field, and be members of the ruling family

Untold unearned wealth and privilege is not known for producing beacons of integrity and intelligence.They have already demonstrated that they have no real idea of how a football club works, despite there being several instances of Oil Rich owners (Citeh, PSG) to have learned from

To me it seems a basic requirement in doing anything at all, to start of with two things. An understanding of where you are, and an understanding of where you want to be. You then either need to formulate a basic plan of how to get from the first to the second, or hire someone who can do that for you.
The owners of Newcastle dont seem to have grasped this first essential step, and until they do just that then you will have a series of appointments, and decisions made by someone with no idea where the owners are trying to get to, other than a vague notion of "top club in the world"

Contrast that with BHA

A series of multi year achievable plans, with clear objectives, slow but steady progress with both playing staff, facilities, backroom staff, an understanding that Rome wasnt built in a day, that there will be setbacks, but learning from each mistake, and taking the long term view .

The only similarities I can find between this approach and Newcastles apparant blind blundering around is .well nothing

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

I see your error, you think the wealth has been "earned" through hard work, clever investments and the like, however the individuals needed no intelligence to get their wealth, just fortunate to live on top of a huge oil field, and be members of the ruling family

Untold unearned wealth and privilege is not known for producing beacons of integrity and intelligence.They have already demonstrated that they have no real idea of how a football club works, despite there being several instances of Oil Rich owners (Citeh, PSG) to have learned from

To me it seems a basic requirement in doing anything at all, to start of with two things. An understanding of where you are, and an understanding of where you want to be. You then either need to formulate a basic plan of how to get from the first to the second, or hire someone who can do that for you.
The owners of Newcastle dont seem to have grasped this first essential step, and until they do just that then you will have a series of appointments, and decisions made by someone with no idea where the owners are trying to get to, other than a vague notion of "top club in the world"

Contrast that with BHA

A series of multi year achievable plans, with clear objectives, slow but steady progress with both playing staff, facilities, backroom staff, an understanding that Rome wasnt built in a day, that there will be setbacks, but learning from each mistake, and taking the long term view .

The only similarities I can find between this approach and Newcastles apparant blind blundering around is .well nothing

All that l can add to that is . . . yep!

 

[Napper]

All I really care about in this is that they don’t get someone in by Saturday so we avoid the new manager bounce

Not too worried myself. Even if they got Klopp in. Pound for pound we are better than and we are flying.

Lamptey back , Bissouma back. Mwepu looking a player.

Regardless who they get , they are getting a drubbing on saturday and deep down , they know it.

5-0

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Not too worried myself. Even if they got Klopp in. Pound for pound we are better than and we are flying.

Lamptey back , Bissouma back. Mwepu looking a player.

Regardless who they get , they are getting a drubbing on saturday and deep down , they know it.

5-0

1-0 Newcastle victory it is then.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

But Sharky, would you insist on breakfast being included in the package? Could be the deal-maker.

Breakfast AND dinner.

Otherwise, no deal.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I see your error, you think the wealth has been "earned" through hard work, clever investments and the like, however the individuals needed no intelligence to get their wealth, just fortunate to live on top of a huge oil field, and be members of the ruling family

Untold unearned wealth and privilege is not known for producing beacons of integrity and intelligence.They have already demonstrated that they have no real idea of how a football club works, despite there being several instances of Oil Rich owners (Citeh, PSG) to have learned from

To me it seems a basic requirement in doing anything at all, to start of with two things. An understanding of where you are, and an understanding of where you want to be. You then either need to formulate a basic plan of how to get from the first to the second, or hire someone who can do that for you.
The owners of Newcastle dont seem to have grasped this first essential step, and until they do just that then you will have a series of appointments, and decisions made by someone with no idea where the owners are trying to get to, other than a vague notion of "top club in the world"

Contrast that with BHA

A series of multi year achievable plans, with clear objectives, slow but steady progress with both playing staff, facilities, backroom staff, an understanding that Rome wasnt built in a day, that there will be setbacks, but learning from each mistake, and taking the long term view .

The only similarities I can find between this approach and Newcastles apparant blind blundering around is .well nothing

Their failure so far may actually be even more impressive than you say. Amanda Staveley, the notional chief executive, has been involved in takeover negotiations with at least two Premier League clubs in her role as a financier (Liverpool and - although this isn't widely known - Southampton), so has contacts in the game. You have to assume that she would be taking advice from those contacts. But will Saudi owners allow a women to make big decisions? It seems not. Staveley has already had to delay one big decision (sacking Steve Bruce) because, despite her title, she has to refer everything back to Riyadh. The Saudis seem to prefer to let Ashley's man, Lee Charnley, handle the manager search. So here we are.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Their failure so far may actually be even more impressive than you say. Amanda Staveley, the notional chief executive, has been involved in takeover negotiations with at least two Premier League clubs in her role as a financier (Liverpool and - although this isn't widely known - Southampton), so has contacts in the game. You have to assume that she would be taking advice from those contacts. But will Saudi owners allow a women to make big decisions? It seems not. Staveley has already had to delay one big decision (sacking Steve Bruce) because, despite her title, she has to refer everything back to Riyadh. The Saudis seem to prefer to let Ashley's man, Lee Charnley, handle the manager search. So here we are.

As you suggest, I'm sure it's due to his gender, rather than any expertise. Deep seated prejudices are deep seated.

 

[Springal]

Staveley has already had to delay one big decision (sacking Steve Bruce) because, despite her title, she has to refer everything back to Riyadh. The Saudis seem to prefer to let Ashley's man, Lee Charnley, handle the manager search. So here we are.

Posted this elsewhere as it always surprised me - I went to Qatar with our VP of Sales for the region who happened to be a female. Much awkwardness when the Qataris would refuse to meet / do business with a female, so a much junior male had to conduct what was a fairly big meeting while our VP of Sales had to sit in another room by herself for 3 hours!

 

[Hendrax]

Edie howe in talks with Newcastle

 

[herecomesaregular]

As you suggest, I'm sure it's due to his gender, rather than any expertise. Deep seated prejudices are deep seated.

I was assuming it was just part of their sportswashing project that they waited for Bruce's 1000th game before paying him off? (sorry meant t o quote NAN)

 

[Saladpack Seagull]

Edie howe in talks with Newcastle

I wonder what Smug Eddie thinks about being 6th or 7th choice for the dubious honour of managing a club owned by these horrendous people?

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

Not too worried myself. Even if they got Klopp in. Pound for pound we are better than and we are flying.

Lamptey back , Bissouma back. Mwepu looking a player.

Regardless who they get , they are getting a drubbing on saturday and deep down , they know it.

5-0

All l'm worried about is getting the three points. Who do you think is going to score all those goals?

Beware over confidence.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

I wonder what Smug Eddie thinks about being 6th or 7th choice for the dubious honour of managing a club owned by these horrendous people?

I don't suppose he much cares, just grateful for the chance to manage in the Premier League again.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Not too worried myself. Even if they got Klopp in. Pound for pound we are better than and we are flying.

Lamptey back , Bissouma back. Mwepu looking a player.

Regardless who they get , they are getting a drubbing on saturday and deep down , they know it.

5-0

I think this is a pretty brave comment!

But I think this is the next stage for us. To thump someone. All these years in the PL, we've had the odd 3-0 and 3-1. Possibly a 4-1, I can't remember. But we've never stuffed someone. Not properly

I'm not saying this will be Saturday, just that if/when it does happen it will be a significant landmark for us in being an established PL club

 

[Danny Wilson Said]

I think this is a pretty brave comment!

But I think this is the next stage for us. To thump someone. All these years in the PL, we've had the odd 3-0 and 3-1. Possibly a 4-1, I can't remember. But we've never stuffed someone. Not properly

I'm not saying this will be Saturday, just that if/when it does happen it will be a significant landmark for us in being an established PL club

Swansea 4-1. Even Locadia scored.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Swansea 4-1. Even Locadia scored.

Christ, no wonder they went down

But do you know what I mean though? 4-1 isn't really a thrashing. It's a good win. I'm talking getting towards "letters on the vidiprinter" territory. OK then, maybe not that many, but I think you need at least a 5 goal margin, for the football community to properly look up and say that was a true battering.

 

[Napper]

All l'm worried about is getting the three points. Who do you think is going to score all those goals?

Beware over confidence.

could come from anywhere . Lallana due one , Dunk due to pop up with one. Cucurella bound to score a few somewhen , Trossard in form , Maupay , Mwepu to keep the streak going. Ali Mac long shot after coming on . Moder can score. Anywhere is the answer

I get your point but more fun to embrace it. 90% of my albion life I've feared the worst.

 

[Danny Wilson Said]

Not too worried myself. Even if they got Klopp in. Pound for pound we are better than and we are flying.

Lamptey back , Bissouma back. Mwepu looking a player.

Regardless who they get , they are getting a drubbing on saturday and deep down , they know it.

5-0

Some people thought that about our trip to Norwich. This has 'banana skin' written all over it. Graeme Jones isn't a bad coach and they got a 1-1 at Palace because the home side missed a load of chances. I'll take a scrappy 1-0 all day long.

 

[BBassic]

I've got Maupay as my FPL captain this week so he's bound to miss several open goals and come off on 67 minutes.

 

[Swansman]

I wonder what Smug Eddie thinks about being 6th or 7th choice for the dubious honour of managing a club owned by these horrendous people?

Like most managers unlikely to ever coach a top club he'll probably be interested. While I'm sure he, as someone who has managed in the PL, got some money in the bank I think he would struggle to say no to secure the future of his kids, grandkids and grand-grandkids with a fat Newcastle contract.