New Website and Loyalty Points (Club announcement, see post #158)

[Biscuit]

For all games, if you have a ST, it's those points. If you a Bronze member, they use the Members points. If you are neither, it's general sale.

I have more member points than ST points.. is that right?

I guess it basically amounts to ST get a chance to purchase first, so having less ST points than member points doesn't really matter?

 

[Goldstone1976]

Home games graded A, B and C like last season. 5 for A, 10 for B and 15 for C. Last season A graded games were those that were most likely to sell out. I can only assume they will use the same logic for away games. Why would it be anything else?

On a side note, shall we predict which fixtures will be A B or C ?

Again - I think you're inferring something that isn't there. Where does it say that A games will get 5 points? How do you know that 5 points won't be given to C games, and 15 to A?

I suspect your view is correct, but I can't see anything in the text that confirms it.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

I doubt many of the old farts in 1901 will want to go to away games anyway, they're only up there for a posh jolly up or to sit in silence..

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[kingcole]

I have more member points than ST points.. is that right?

I guess it basically amounts to ST get a chance to purchase first, so having less ST points than member points doesn't really matter?

It can be right. My ST points are only 47 higher than my member points. I've been a STH for a long while so get the maximum 180. Had I only been a STH one year I would have had 130 less so my member points would have been 80 odd higher.

You're right tho. Not important as you get first dibs anyhow

 

[kingcole]

I doubt many of the old farts in 1901 will want to go to away games anyway, they're only up there for a posh jolly up or to sit in silence..

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Exactly this. And I'm guessing those who do decide to go who haven't attended away games before will likely be looking for a similar experience thus will be buying hospitality from the host club

 

[Biscuit]

It can be right. My ST points are only 47 higher than my member points. I've been a STH for a long while so get the maximum 180. Had I only been a STH one year I would have had 130 less so my member points would have been 80 odd higher.

You're right tho. Not important as you get first dibs anyhow

RIght got you. I've been a ST for yonks so was a little surprised to see it lower than member points but doesn't really matter,

 

[adub68]

As a 1901 member I (and am sure Mr Bloom / Barber fully understood without input from someone in Quants) that on a running cumulative basis we were gaining on the 100 premium in return for the financial commitment - in particular as it was awarded in full at the start of each season relative to the actual cumulative benefit of paying for all home cup games as they were played. As someone who has been 1901 since the first season as the Amex cumulatively this would have been worth 52 more points to me at the start of this year (i.e. 100 relative to the actual 48 carry forward for cup games). This confirms my general thought that it was worth about 40-50 points. The club seemed to have accepted this and confirmed it given the previous 50 point change (from 1050 to 1100) as a result of the membership scheme points debate with the club. For what it is worth at the time I had suggested to the club that they consider awarding the extra points in blocks over the season rather than all upfront (after all FA cup post xmas) .

I expect the club would/will be able to argue that this confirmation when increasing the points by 50 and the statement in the 1901 marketing re priority access to away games was/is not contractual in the licence agreement.

While I disagree with those that say there is/was no value to the club from my extra financial commitment to 10 years (2x5) relative to someone who commits each year personally I will be prepared to hold the toys in the pram until we see where the levels are set.

In my own case as a reasonably regular attendee at away games over the last few years - the 54 I am carrying forward on these will hopefully bring me back closer to the higher tiers (am at 282). Had set my sights on Bournemouth so will be clutching the toys when this is announced.

 

[kingcole]

Again - I think you're inferring something that isn't there. Where does it say that A games will get 5 points? How do you know that 5 points won't be given to C games, and 15 to A?

I suspect your view is correct, but I can't see anything in the text that confirms it.

https://www.seagullstickets.com/documents/pdf/1718/LoyaltyPoints.pdf?dm_t=0,0,0,0,0

Bottom of page one

 

[Goldstone1976]

I'm guessing those who do decide to go who haven't attended away games before will likely be looking for a similar experience thus will be buying hospitality from the host club

Maybe so. For me, I've always enjoyed the comfort at the AMEX and the [more] "proper" football experience at away games. I know 10-15 1901ers who do the same, but only 10-15. I suspect many more would pay for hospitality away, and they'll be able to do so. There are some however, I know cos the buggers keep texting me, who would have gone to away games in the PL and until today have thought for six years that they'd have a better chance because of the 1901 "premium".

 

[Giraffe]

One question, if your season ticket holder points are LESS than your member points which points count towards the for sale date?

All of our group are in this position and therefore if only the season ticket holder point are counted are we being punished for being season ticket holders?

 

[Goldstone1976]

https://www.seagullstickets.com/documents/pdf/1718/LoyaltyPoints.pdf?dm_t=0,0,0,0,0

Bottom of page one

This bit?

"Additional points are then awarded as follows:
Away League Matches: 5/10/15*
Home & Away Cup Matches: 5/10/15*
*Points awarded will vary depending on the opposition, date and demand level for the match between 5, 10 and 15. "

If so, I repeat: where does it say that A games will attract 5 points and not 15? Unless you're assuming that they've gone A,B,C in order, despite not saying that explicitly? A decent assumption, I reckon, but it does leave open the opposite...

 

[Bozza]

Maybe so. For me, I've always enjoyed the comfort at the AMEX and the [more] "proper" football experience at away games. I know 10-15 1901ers who do the same, but only 10-15. I suspect many more would pay for hospitality away, and they'll be able to do so. There are some however, I know cos the buggers keep texting me, who would have gone to away games in the PL and until today have thought for six years that they'd have a better chance because of the 1901 "premium".

If you've got a season ticket then the membership points are irrelevant.

They should t even be showing but I suspect the ticketing system is not capable of showing only the one you need to see.

 

[Is it PotG?]

As I see it, 3,000 generally on sale will mean that most or all who want will get. B'muff might be a bit different but not a lot seems to have changed.

 

[kingcole]

One question, if your season ticket holder points are LESS than your member points which points count towards the for sale date?

All of our group are in this position and therefore if only the season ticket holder point are counted are we being punished for being season ticket holders?

No, because ST holders get to buy before members regardless.

The member points are only there to determine your status over other non ST members.

 

[kingcole]

This bit?

"Additional points are then awarded as follows:
Away League Matches: 5/10/15*
Home & Away Cup Matches: 5/10/15*
*Points awarded will vary depending on the opposition, date and demand level for the match between 5, 10 and 15. "

If so, I repeat: where does it say that A games will attract 5 points and not 15? Unless you're assuming that they've gone A,B,C in order, despite not saying that explicitly? A decent assumption, I reckon, but it does leave open the opposite...

Sorry, top of page 2. It clearly says A 5 point, B 10 points etc

 

[Carrot Cruncher]

Hmmm. So it's ok to remove something because you haven't used it so far, but might now? Bit tricksy, isn't it? You're quite correct, the club could last season have said, "if you don't use it, we'll take it away". They didn't. They could now have said "You haven't used it, we're taking it away". They haven't. They've just taken it away with no explanation.

Is the new system more equitable for the fan base as a whole? Yes. However, there's surely no denying that STH would be up in arms if things that were part of their package were unilaterally removed?

Anyway, unless I'm specifically quoted, or if someone posts something factually incorrect on the topic, I'm done on 1901 stuff! I'm ok with the new scheme. I'll leave it to others who may be upset to post about it if they so choose. I'd rather they did that than continue to text me about it!

You're quite right about the club handling it badly. However, if 1901ers were to kick off about it, quoting a breach of contract, I've no doubt this is what they'd come back with.

 

[Goldstone1976]

One question, if your season ticket holder points are LESS than your member points which points count towards the for sale date?

All of our group are in this position and therefore if only the season ticket holder point are counted are we being punished for being season ticket holders?

Look at the on sale dates for Leicester. STH on sale date = 18 July (using your STHP), Bronze members = 27 July (using Members points).

If you are a STH you get to buy earlier than Bronze members. Therefore your Members points are irrelevant. Of course, they may (well) introduce tiered purchasing within the ST allocation - more STHP, earlier buying opportunity within the one week window.

 

[BBassic]

I vaguely recall there being a mishap with my ST when I moved from the ESU. Ended up being cancelled and had to purchase again. Wonder if that's been taken into account when doing the calculations.

 

[Goldstone1976]

You're quite right about the club handling it badly. However, if 1901ers were to kick off about it, quoting a breach of contract, I've no doubt this is what they'd come back with.

Oh, I don't think there's a breach of contract here at all... I'm just offering a different perspective to those who say "serves the rich *******s right", s'all.

 

[dazzer6666]

One question, if your season ticket holder points are LESS than your member points which points count towards the for sale date?

All of our group are in this position and therefore if only the season ticket holder point are counted are we being punished for being season ticket holders?

No. STH have priority. member points will ponly come into it of there are tickets left after all STHs have had the chnace to buy

Sales will go something like this :

Wave one - STH points more than XXX (say 200 as an example)
Wave two (if any left) - STH points more than XXX- (say 150)
Wave three (if any left) - other STHs
Wave four (if any left) - member points (may also be tiered if lots of tickets still available)
Wave five - general sale (no fecking chance for most games)