New Royal Mail/CWU Agreement

[marshallmercury]

Any posties on here wish to comment on the deal?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Ours just came and delivered our post, and was trying to have a little whine about it.

"They've only offered us 7%, over three years. Blah blah,whine, whine".

He seemed surprised that an office load of people in the real world who's salaries have been frozen for the last three years, didn't offer much in the way of sympathy.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

The sad news about the pay deal is that 1 in 4 postal workers wont get to see any productivity bonuses or a pay rise past the second year as they will have been downsized.

 

[beorhthelm]

downsized? you mean they wont have a job for doing not alot (otherwise there wouldnt be any downsizing)? thats the way of the world now, we get more technological advancement, better quality of live, and fewer jobs.

 

[Stat Brother]

I've not really got my head round it yet.
There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors, giving with one hand..., etc.

It feels like both sides were under great pressure to come up with something.
Any agreement left to 'local agreement', will not work, as the militant offices just won't agree, period.
As per the Dispatches programme where the staff were still working to practices from 5-10 years ago.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

I've not really got my head round it yet.
There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors, giving with one hand..., etc.

It feels like both sides were under great pressure to come up with something.
Any agreement left to 'local agreement', will not work, as the militant offices just won't agree, period.
As per the Dispatches programme where the staff were still working to practices from 5-10 years ago.

That's why there is the £1000 bonus. They only get the bonus if and when the modernisations have been agreed to. Going to be hard for the die hard lefties to convince the rest of the workforce not to take the cash.

 

[Stat Brother]

That's why there is the £1000 bonus. They only get the bonus if and when the modernisations have been agreed to. Going to be hard for the die hard lefties to convince the rest of the workforce not to take the cash.

Sadly that has been done before, we'll get the cash, but I'm absolutely 100% convinced that won't mean wholesale changes of work and attitudes within the RM workforce.

 

[Easy 10]

So all the workers get a £400 bonus now, a 7% payrise over the next 3 years, and another £1,000 once the planned modernisation changes are implemented.

Recession ? What recession ?

 

[Stat Brother]

So all the workers get a £400 bonus now, a 7% payrise over the next 3 years, and another £1,000 once the planned modernisation changes are implemented.

Recession ? What recession ?

The £400 is on condition of agreeing in principle to the deal. i.e voting in favour and not striking.
The £1000 is on actually agreeing to the deal, within each office.

The 7% is something like 2 now, 1.5 next year, and 3.5 the year after.

The difficult bit (that I haven't got my head round yet) is our wages are currently split, basic pay, early shift allowance, and leaflet money (door to doors).
Now I think all of those are going to be pooled into our basic, which coupled with a deregulation of D2D, may result in an actual pay decrease, as we are currently paid per item, for these.

 

[Easy 10]

The £400 is on condition of agreeing in principle to the deal. i.e voting in favour and not striking.
The £1000 is on actually agreeing to the deal, within each office.

The 7% is something like 2 now, 1.5 next year, and 3.5 the year after.

The difficult bit (that I haven't got my head round yet) is our wages are currently split, basic pay, early shift allowance, and leaflet money (door to doors).
Now I think all of those are going to be pooled into our basic, which coupled with a deregulation of D2D, may result in an actual pay decrease, as we are currently paid per item, for these.

So the £1400 basically amounts to a bribe not to strike.
On top of that, a 7% increase staggered over the next 3 years is VERY generous, given the current climate (I've been on a pay freeze for the last two years).

OK the door to door money may decrease, I gather because they're cutting down on delivering junk mail. But overall, I think the posties have done rather well there, no ?

 

[Stat Brother]

Oh yes, on the face of it.
Don't get me wrong easy, for a job they could train monkeys to do (snails in some cases) we are handsomely rewarded.

Re D2D we don't get much for them, but we are regulated to 3 (I think previously we agreed to 5, took the bonus then, but have never done more than 3). But if that regulation were to be lifted individual payment scrapped, we would lose an awful lot of potential cash.

Personally, after last years fiasco I'm so jaded with the childish nature of RM management and the Union, having there own little wars, in my name, they can both screw themselves.

It's a great job, I love, even this winter, being spoilt by idiots who don't know when they are on to a good thing.

 

[withdeanwombat]

My postie is a decent bloke who works hard yet remains cheerful whilst doing a job that the majority of "workers" would not entertain.

He deserves to keep his job,plus any rises or bonuses that come his way.

As for those clerical workers referred to by another poster who have not had a pay rise since Noah was a lad,they are probably earning what they are worth,and probably more than those posties who were out wading through the snowdrifts to deliver your mail to your door for a pittance.

And remember,percentages are deceptive.What's 7% of bugger all over three years?
And remember,new practices seem to be constantly introduced,so why not bang on at the people whose "new practices" seem not to work or not to last.

You lot leave my postie alone.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

My postie is a decent bloke who works hard yet remains cheerful whilst doing a job that the majority of "workers" would not entertain.

He deserves to keep his job,plus any rises or bonuses that come his way.

As for those clerical workers referred to by another poster who have not had a pay rise since Noah was a lad,they are probably earning what they are worth,and probably more than those posties who were out wading through the snowdrifts to deliver your mail to your door for a pittance.

And remember,percentages are deceptive.What's 7% of bugger all over three years?
And remember,new practices seem to be constantly introduced,so why not bang on at the people whose "new practices" seem not to work or not to last.

You lot leave my postie alone.

Nonsense. There are hard working people in all types of jobs, on all pay scales, all over the UK who have not had a sniff of a pay rise in a couple of years. That's the climate everyone needs to come to terms with right now.

It was spelt out in no uncertain terms at our recent company conference, that the company [20,000 people worldwide] was doing everything it could to avoid any 'rationalisation' [thats job losses to you], and had so far been successful, but not to expect any salary increases this year or next.

For some reason the workforce in some industries are still living in the 70's and somehow feel that the new realities don't apply to them.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Ours just came and delivered our post, and was trying to have a little whine about it.

"They've only offered us 7%, over three years. Blah blah,whine, whine".

He seemed surprised that an office load of people in the real world who's salaries have been frozen for the last three years, didn't offer much in the way of sympathy.

I work for Royal Mail am a CWU rep too and quite frankly am astounded at your postie's attitude, the pay deal is good when you compare it to what else is happening with pay deals elsewhere.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I work for Royal Mail am a CWU rep too and quite frankly am astounded at your postie's attitude, the pay deal is good when you compare it to what else is happening with pay deals elsewhere.

Glad to hear it. Good man.

 

[beorhthelm]

And remember,percentages are deceptive.What's 7% of bugger all over three years?

if you are paying attention, its 7% more than many are getting. what does it matter the starting point, or are you trying to push the notion that pay rises are for the sake of themselves rather than either keeping pace with inflation or to reward increasing productivity?

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

The sad news about the pay deal is that 1 in 4 postal workers wont get to see any productivity bonuses or a pay rise past the second year as they will have been downsized.

I have a full copy of the Business Transformation 2010 and Beyond Agreement, and nowhere can I find where is says the 25% of the workforce will be downsized. There is a commitment to have 75/25 split between full time and part time workers by 2013 though.

 

[the wanderbus]

There is a lengthy document on the cwu website containing all the details of the deal. When you consider this years 1.5%, the new all -in leaflet payments plus the removal of certain allowances & door to door money I will personally be around £15 a week worse off...... not such a good deal after all eh?

 

[Stat Brother]

For some reason the workforce in some industries are still living in the 70's and somehow feel that the new realities don't apply to them.

Owed a living, is the phrase that springs to mind.
We posties genuinely aren't getting a 7% rise, when all the other aspects are taken into account.
The deal really isn't favourable to us, (I'm learning more as the day goes on), hence the need for a £1400 sweetener.
Without that it would be a NO vote, back to square 1, if not further back.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

There is a lengthy document on the cwu website containing all the details of the deal. When you consider this years 1.5%, the new all -in leaflet payments plus the removal of certain allowances & door to door money I will personally be around £15 a week worse off...... not such a good deal after all eh?

What about the lump sum payments? How does that affect you? Shorter working week? Any good?