New Dr Who

[shaolinpunk]

It's a show about a time travelling alien.

The gender and ethnicity of the character has no bearing on the quality of the show; the writing and performance does.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

It's a show about a time travelling alien.

The gender and ethnicity of the character has no bearing on the quality of the show; the writing and performance does.

Of course the ethnicity of the character plays a huge part in the character's history and popularity.

Part of Dr Who's charm was his Britishness within the scope of the character.

He was for a long time the only British super hero in a world of American super hero characters. An American Dr Who would be horrible.

 

[Gritt23]

I wonder how surprised the Doctor will be to wake up and find he's a woman. Will be worth watching the first episode just for that. Does anyone know when it is?

The reaction post-regeneration has become quite a fun piece. This time, will be interesting. The Time Lord has been a man for 1,000 years, and one with more than a passing flirtation with the ladies, so will they be true to life and get the new Doctor to look straight down her top and deliver her opening line of "Phoa, how am I going to get anything done when I've got those to play with."

The irony for me of the gender swap is that I don't know anyone who falls into the category of believing it was an issue in television that needed to be addressed, AND watches the show! That Venn Diagram is two circles, with absolutely no intersection. Partly because not many women watch sci-fi, but to take Mrs G as the example I know best, she used to watch it in the David Tennant days but has since stopped completely partly because she "doesn't like sci-fi" but mainly because "she hasn't fancied a Doctor Who since Tennant."

 

[Turkey]

Hey now, careful with your positive opinions, this is NSC you know.

Get back to spouting knee jerk nonsense about political correctness, the BBC and the new liberal take over.

Haha, I think she'll be brilliant and they can have so much fun with it. Just a shame we have to wait 13 or so months for her series to start.

 

[Stat Brother]

Haha, I think she'll be brilliant and they can have so much fun with it. Just a shame we have to wait 13 or so months for her series to start.

Why is she pregnant?


#YouKnowWhatTheyAreLike.




We really need an irony emoji

 

[Albumen]

Of course the ethnicity of the character plays a huge part in the character's history and popularity.

Part of Dr Who's charm was his Britishness within the scope of the character.

He was for a long time the only British super hero in a world of American super hero characters. An American Dr Who would be horrible.

Ms Whittaker is British, I reckon she can play an alien.

 

[Bold Seagull]

The reaction post-regeneration has become quite a fun piece. This time, will be interesting. The Time Lord has been a man for 1,000 years, and one with more than a passing flirtation with the ladies, so will they be true to life and get the new Doctor to look straight down her top and deliver her opening line of "Phoa, how am I going to get anything done when I've got those to play with."

The irony for me of the gender swap is that I don't know anyone who falls into the category of believing it was an issue in television that needed to be addressed, AND watches the show! That Venn Diagram is two circles, with absolutely no intersection. Partly because not many women watch sci-fi, but to take Mrs G as the example I know best, she used to watch it in the David Tennant days but has since stopped completely partly because she "doesn't like sci-fi" but mainly because "she hasn't fancied a Doctor Who since Tennant."

Viewing figures in steady decline. This series 5.5m, 2015 - 6.2m, 2014 - 7.3m, 2013 - 8.1m. I think the show has needed a reboot, not for some liberal lefty reason, but because the template of eccentric bloke has worn thin. Eccleston, Tennent, Smith all did well, but Capaldi has struggled. Do you just carry on trying the eccentric bloke formula, or try something completely different in a genre that allows you to write just about anything? They'll get a massive boost in ratings, if it doesn't work, regenerate back to a bloke.

I think it is being hijacked by people wanting to believe this is about political correctness gone mad, it isn't, this is a cold calculated executive decision about ratings and boasting them. Has nothing to do with equality, sexism, or liberalism, this is commercialism and that is in my mind doubtless what has driven the decision.

 

[BBassic]

Mother was mentioned in the Gallifrey Chronicles by the 8th Dr. 8th Dr also mentioned his father.

Mother could also possibly have been a bloke in a previous incarnation as could father have been a woman.

 

[Gritt23]

Viewing figures in steady decline. This series 5.5m, 2015 - 6.2m, 2014 - 7.3m, 2013 - 8.1m. I think the show has needed a reboot, not for some liberal lefty reason, but because the template of eccentric bloke has worn thin. Eccleston, Tennent, Smith all did well, but Capaldi has struggled. Do you just carry on trying the eccentric bloke formula, or try something completely different in a genre that allows you to write just about anything? They'll get a massive boost in ratings, if it doesn't work, regenerate back to a bloke.

I think it is being hijacked by people wanting to believe this is about political correctness gone mad, it isn't, this is a cold calculated executive decision about ratings and boasting them. Has nothing to do with equality, sexism, or liberalism, this is commercialism and that is in my mind doubtless what has driven the decision.

Hopefully it has been driven by the writers wanting to go down a different route, and maybe they have some story lines planned that they simply felt would work better with a female Doctor. Truth is, I doubt that, I think positive discrimination and equality has been the driving force, which would be a shame. The writing makes the show work, and also makes it fail. the novelty value of this will last a whole episode, after that and boost to rating will only stick if the writing is good enough.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

I expect the reason why people think changing Dr Who to a woman is stupid is the same reason people would think changing Ripley to a man would be stupid.

The original roles were never written for the other gender. And due to the originals success the essence and image of the character is then set in stone.

Anytime you **** up iconic characters with a change that is not necessary you'll raise the ire of a fanbase.

Perfect example of this is the recent Star Wars and Ghostbusters.

The new Star Wars episode was written to have a female lead in Rey and it worked a treat, the new Ghostbusters tried to take an iconic film and ride on the success of the original but instead turned it into a political statement and made a pile of crap movie instead.

It's the same phenomenon that sees the Americans take classic British TV shows and try and make an American version. The vast majority of which end up a poor lame version of the original.

Ripley was written as a man's part.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Hopefully it has been driven by the writers wanting to go down a different route, and maybe they have some story lines planned that they simply felt would work better with a female Doctor. Truth is, I doubt that, I think positive discrimination and equality has been the driving force, which would be a shame. The writing makes the show work, and also makes it fail. the novelty value of this will last a whole episode, after that and boost to rating will only stick if the writing is good enough.

But you are basically saying the writing for this is confined to a man, otherwise the creative process is positive discrimination. What if the decision was a creative one, nothing other than someone saying, we could introduce a whole new substory of the history of the time lords, of regeneration, a whole new set rules, once you go passed 12 regenerations, more fundamental changes occur in regeneration. Does the conversation go 'yeah, but we'd be accused of positive discrimination even though it is a fantastic idea for a whole new set of creative directions for the series...'

If the writing is crap, doesn't matter what you do like you say. However if the writing is good, and this gives them a whole new background / history to work with and expand on, could be great. Certainly won't be defined by the lead being a man or women though.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Starbuck in the Battlestar Galatica reboot - great casting and switch in roles.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Starbuck in the Battlestar Galatica reboot - great casting and switch in roles.

Surely you're not comparing one of the greatest iconic Sci-Fi characters in history with a character of a show that the vast majority of people couldn't name a character from?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Viewing figures in steady decline. This series 5.5m, 2015 - 6.2m, 2014 - 7.3m, 2013 - 8.1m. I think the show has needed a reboot, not for some liberal lefty reason, but because the template of eccentric bloke has worn thin. Eccleston, Tennent, Smith all did well, but Capaldi has struggled. Do you just carry on trying the eccentric bloke formula, or try something completely different in a genre that allows you to write just about anything? They'll get a massive boost in ratings, if it doesn't work, regenerate back to a bloke.

So the numbers dropped when they moved on from the two actors that female Who fans who quite liked the look of in Tennant and Smith and replaced them with an old ugly dude.

Think we solved the problem. Need more dapper young men.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Are you Jake the Mus?

Where are my bloody eggs, woman!!

I don't like eggs. They smell.

 

[brightn'ove]

What are those words you hear so often trotted out by the right ... snowflakes, triggered?

Seems appropriate here.

 

[The_Viper]

Why is everyone getting so wound up about a kids show?


In fairness I have never watched the show and never will, of no interest to me. However, this will work just fine if they make a series based on whatever it is the current shows are based on, if they make it I AM A WOMAN AND I HATE MEN BECAUSE ALL MEN SUCK AND WE DON'T NEED MEN WHO RUNS THE WORLD GIRLS etc then it'll be total dogshit.


Case in point - Ghostbusters and Wonder Woman, GB was a total disaster because their marketing campaign was to literally insult 50% of the audience, Wonder Woman was a great success because it was a movie about a super hero who is a woman kicking the crap out of people as opposed to focusing on the LOOK AT HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE WITH THIS WOMAN.

 

[Bold Seagull]

That's rubbish. Dr Who had a mother and father. Thus indicating there were two different sexes on Gallifrey.

This whole gender swapping rubbish has only come into vogue in the last few years when obviously they were angling to bring in a female Dr and changing the canon.

I said Star Wars was a treat. They did a great job creating a new character to fit into the original world and it worked very well.

Ghostbusters was a pile of lazy shitty writing turned into a movie. It wasn't a reboot. Not sure how it's a reboot when they reference the original Ghostbusters in the opening credits. Just another cock up by that **** Paul Feig.

Here is what you actually said about Star Wars The Force Awakens (for anyone that wants to see how consistent you are...):

You mean just after he's had his arse handed too him?

Think that kind of proves the point. Luke got beat up and needed rescuing by others quite a bit early on.

Rey just breezes through without a single bit of training being able to do and control pretty much everything she has to without a problem. That's why it's laughable.

It took Luke quite a bit of training to even be able to lift a box off the ground with the force. Ren stopped a blaster shot mid air and kept it frozen.

So they start off with him doing something very difficult that only a highly trained Jedi could do and by the time he battles Ren he's become a complete amateur when it comes to the force.

All it adds up is to a poorly written script and plot.

Wrong. The first few films may have required a suspension of belief, but this far into the series history to simply say everything she does is because OMG she's awesome and that's why she's a super Jedi is excusing poor plot and character development. There's plenty of background history and limitations set. But hey. that's how JJ works with his films.

What you're saying is people need to put their "stupid hat" on and just swallow it all up without any critiquing of the film being possible because "leap of faith explains everything". Even if it explains nothing.

I didn't say I didn't enjoy it, I sad Rey is a comical character whose storyline and abilities are a laugh.

Awesome theory.

Anyone who thinks Rey is a credible character the way she's been written into the film is easily duped yes.

I think it's a shit character. Or are people not allowed to think that?

Digging what? Rey is a comical Mary Sue.

Nothing more, nothing less.

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?331280-Star-Wars-The-Force-Awakens-with-Spoilers-discussion-thread&p=7223786&viewfull=1#post7223786

 

[Pavilionaire]

I don't understand this move. Girls already have plenty of good role models - Delia Smith and Nigella Lawson to name but two.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Why is everyone getting so wound up about a kids show?


In fairness I have never watched the show and never will, of no interest to me. However, this will work just fine if they make a series based on whatever it is the current shows are based on, if they make it I AM A WOMAN AND I HATE MEN BECAUSE ALL MEN SUCK AND WE DON'T NEED MEN WHO RUNS THE WORLD GIRLS etc then it'll be total dogshit.


Case in point - Ghostbusters and Wonder Woman, GB was a total disaster because their marketing campaign was to literally insult 50% of the audience, Wonder Woman was a great success because it was a movie about a super hero who is a woman kicking the crap out of people as opposed to focusing on the LOOK AT HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE WITH THIS WOMAN.

It's about people being sick to death of long established characters and TV shows/movies being ****ed up with by stupid remakes/reboots by studios.

Terminator, Ghostbusters,Get Carter, Arthur, Pink Panther, Poltergeist, Psycho and on and on and on the endless lazy efforts keep coming.