[Brighton] New cycle lane a259 Brighton

[Stat Brother]

The point being that for families traveling from afar (tourists) public transport to Brighton is expensive and prohibitive so provision needs to be made for motorists. Sometimes a car is the only viable choice.

TBH I'm surprised your journey is so quick.
I'm not surprised the train is so expensive.

Even with the speed of your car journey, it should be considerably quicker.
The train journey should be considerably cheaper.



Your 'final mile' journey into the centre of city X (in this case Brighton) should be equally smooth and cheap, just not by car.

 

[Gwylan]

a) You're right. Trains are too expensive. They should be heavily subsidised by the state. They are a societal and environmental need

I think this is the main point. I'm absolutely in favour of more cycle lanes, more pedestrianisation and more restrictions on private cars. I've seen this continental Europe and it works BUT the governments (local and national) have realised that there's a need for an integrated transport policy.

This means train and bus fares considerably cheaper. This means people being allowed to take bikes on trains - I've seen people take bikes on the Copenhagen equivalent of the Tube. And in some countries, you can hook a bike to the back of a bus. It means integrated tickets - it's bonkers that there are three bus companies in Brighton but no integrated ticket that covers all of them ... let alone the train as well. This means rural bus services, seven days a week. There are towns and villages in Sussex that are completely inaccessible by public transport on Sundays: how does that help?

The UK seems to want to put restrictions in place without providing an alternative. We surely need to offer carrot with the stick

 

[Easy 10]

A27 to Falmer then down through Woodingdean to the Marina, reverse on the way back?

Its not UNDOABLE, but its miles out of my way for the Marina. And that Falmer / Woodingdean road can be a right ballache towards the crossroads.

Its enough to put me off and think "nah, I'll go somewhere else". The Greens win, I guess.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

I wasn’t.

If a resident of Worthing, Shoreham or Southwick wants to visit Brighton Marina, all routes are increasingly very offputting. Remember too that by making the A259 hellish, more traffic in general heads to other routes increasing jams on the Lewes Road and Falmer Road. The Falmer Road jams have lengthened substantially in the last 5 years.

To avoid that, friends of mine now commute home from Lewes to Rottingdean via Beddingham and Newhaven. Others go to the cinema in Crawley, a 50 mile round trip.

Is any of the above helping the planet? Displaced traffic must be considered.

Being a frequent Cineworld customer, in normal times, I can happily say, out of the 20 or 30 trips we've done over the past few years, we've only been to Brighton Cineworld once. We generally use Chichester and Crawley.

 

[CHAPPERS]

The Greens win, I guess.

Are the Greens running the council in Worthing too?

https://www.worthingherald.co.uk/ne...new-cycle-lane-some-want-it-stay-good-2944871

Easy to blame the Greens innit. Read that article and see if you reckon this is the Greens pushing this.

 

[Gwylan]

Easy to blame the Greens innit. Read that article and see if you reckon this is the Greens pushing this.

As others have pointed out, there are restrictions on traffic all across Europe - they're being proposed by national and local governments of every political hue.

You get a few morons blaming the Greens in Brighton, ignoring the fact that a) the Greens have no majority and need the support of at least one other party to do anything b) Any decisons being implemented now would have been planned weeks ago and c) there's very little difference between the transport policies of any of the parties in Brighton - it was the Tories who first started the push to cycle lanes.

 

[Easy 10]

Are the Greens running the council in Worthing too?

https://www.worthingherald.co.uk/ne...new-cycle-lane-some-want-it-stay-good-2944871

Easy to blame the Greens innit. Read that article and see if you reckon this is the Greens pushing this.

I'm not particularly interested in various other District Council party "whataboutery" tbh. Regardless of 'who started it', the Greens are currently running B&H, and they are the ones now implementing the epic catastrophic BUFFOONERY that is directly affecting me and many others. I'd be slagging Labour, C*ntservatives or any other loonybin party in charge who was inflicting this hair-brained scheme on our city, with nothing more than a glib "just find another way" mantra to all the drivers and local businesses who they have completely bollocksed up for the forseeable.

 

[Easy 10]

At the end of the day, the council have decided to make one of THE major traffic arteries through the city largely unusable for anything that has 4 wheels, in favour of a sprinkling of cyclists, which will ever-diminish when the shit weather arrives (despite the fact that cyclists already had a perfectly decent cycle lane along the Prom). So now they've done it, I guess thats "mission accomplished" as far as they're concerned. We will just have to wait and see to reap the impact this all has on tourism, local commerce, and the emergency services in the area.

 

[Chicken Run]

I'm not particularly interested in various other District Council party "whataboutery" tbh. Regardless of 'who started it', the Greens are currently running B&H, and they are the ones now implementing the epic catastrophic BUFFOONERY that is directly affecting me and many others. I'd be slagging Labour, C*ntservatives or any other loonybin party in charge who was inflicting this hair-brained scheme on our city, with nothing more than a glib "just find another way" mantra to all the drivers and local businesses who they have completely bollocksed up for the forseeable.

This

 

[CHAPPERS]

I'm not particularly interested in various other District Council party "whataboutery" tbh. Regardless of 'who started it', the Greens are currently running B&H, and they are the ones now implementing the epic catastrophic BUFFOONERY that is directly affecting me and many others. I'd be slagging Labour, C*ntservatives or any other loonybin party in charge who was inflicting this hair-brained scheme on our city, with nothing more than a glib "just find another way" mantra to all the drivers and local businesses who they have completely bollocksed up for the forseeable.

It's hardly whataboutery to point out that any council would be doing the same thing.

 

[Saunders]

As others have pointed out, there are restrictions on traffic all across Europe - they're being proposed by national and local governments of every political hue.

You get a few morons blaming the Greens in Brighton, ignoring the fact that a) the Greens have no majority and need the support of at least one other party to do anything b) Any decisons being implemented now would have been planned weeks ago and c) there's very little difference between the transport policies of any of the parties in Brighton - it was the Tories who first started the push to cycle lanes.

This.

There is more money being provided for schemes to improve access for cycling, buses and pedestrians. You either spend it or you don't, its not like you can blow it on other things.

Also something needs to be done about the traffic. The sheer number of ubers and taxis are far worse than i ever remember them. They are also the worst culprits for residing in cycle lanes which should be an offence.

 

[Chicken Run]

This.

There is more money being provided for schemes to improve access for cycling, buses and pedestrians. You either spend it or you don't, its not like you can blow it on other things.

Also something needs to be done about the traffic. The sheer number of ubers and taxis are far worse than i ever remember them. They are also the worst culprits for residing in cycle lanes which should be an offence.

The council as of 2009 only had 568 Hackney licensed cars ( Green & White ones you can hail) with a max of 5 new ones each year, they scrapped the restrictions and now have just short of 1000 Hackney Cars, this on top of Private Hire which also numbers nearly 1000.

 

[rippleman]

We desparately need to get away from the motorist v cy list war.

What about the pedestrian v cyclist war huh?

On the road where I work there is a cycle lane.....and the wankpuffins still insist on cycling on the pavement.

 

[Weststander]

This.

There is more money being provided for schemes to improve access for cycling, buses and pedestrians. You either spend it or you don't, its not like you can blow it on other things.

Also something needs to be done about the traffic. The sheer number of ubers and taxis are far worse than i ever remember them. They are also the worst culprits for residing in cycle lanes which should be an offence.

From my travels around European cities, they get excellent public transport in place first, invariably including light railways/trams, then restrict cars. An integrated transport system for each conurbation.

Not the BHCC non-strategy of make life for drivers awful, then hopefully everyone will jump on a bus. No matter their route, cargo, purpose.

 

[Stat Brother]

At the end of the day, the council have decided to make one of THE major traffic arteries through the city largely unusable for anything that has 4 wheels, in favour of a sprinkling of cyclists, which will ever-diminish when the shit weather arrives (despite the fact that cyclists already had a perfectly decent cycle lane along the Prom). So now they've done it, I guess thats "mission accomplished" as far as they're concerned. We will just have to wait and see to reap the impact this all has on tourism, local commerce, and the emergency services in the area.

Why should there be a major traffic artery through the city?
Esp one that didn't actually work, when it was 2 lanes.

Just because 'it's always been like that' isn't an adequate answer.

There isn't a single tourist destination which hasn't been improved, economically, by a reduction of car usage.

 

[Chicken Run]

Why should there be a major traffic artery through the city?
Esp one that didn't actually work, when it was 2 lanes.

Just because 'it's always been like that' isn't an adequate answer.

There isn't a single tourist destination which hasn't been improved, economically, by a reduction of car usage.

The A259 is akin to a ring road running round the south of the city, any way I’m waisting my time trying to argue with you, the traffic is there and you have yet to come up with a suitable plan to effectively deal with it!

 

[Stat Brother]

The A259 is akin to a ring road running round the south of the city, any way I’m waisting my time trying to argue with you, the traffic is there and you have yet to come up with a suitable plan to effectively deal with it!

The plan is to reduce the obscene amount of traffic, esp single occupancy cars.
That seems to be working as more and more drivers say 'bollox to this shiteshow'.

It all seems to be working effectively.

 

[blue-shifted]

The A259 is akin to a ring road running round the south of the city, any way I’m waisting my time trying to argue with you, the traffic is there and you have yet to come up with a suitable plan to effectively deal with it!

Except it goes straight through the middle of the city, so not a ring road at all

 

[Chicken Run]

The plan is to reduce the obscene amount of traffic, esp single occupancy cars.
That seems to be working as more and more drivers say 'bollox to this shiteshow'.

It all seems to be working effectively.

So your plan is to **** it up for the motorist so much they say **** it and don’t use their cars, you clearly haven’t been down to Brighton recently then because the cars are still there and they ain’t moving.

With your **** the motorist attitude I can only hope your precious cycle lanes over the coming years will be FULL of electric scooters, the hire variety I’m told coming soon!

 

[WilburySeagull]

Me too. I only venture into Worthing from Shoreham now to top up my vinyl collection. Obviously not as a nice ambience but parking is so much cheaper and no jams atm.

The A259 is akin to a ring road running round the south of the city, any way I’m waisting my time trying to argue with you, the traffic is there and you have yet to come up with a suitable plan to effectively deal with it!

And treating it as a ring road is why its become so congested! I get that the situation isnt ideal for anyone but the mindset of cars/vans 1st and then sort everyone else out has to change. We do need to move through traffic away from a259 onto the a27 wbich has plenty of capacity. Yes there might be so.e minor inconvenience for some drivers but there are usable routes into the city from the a27 for most areas of the city without using the a259.

If we could eliminate through journeys on a259 that would free space for deliveries and essential journeys.

This does not need to be a war of motorists v cy list v pedrestrian. After all like me many of us are all 3!