[Brighton] New Churchill Square vaccination centre opens today....and closes due to protesters

[BenGarfield]

I have an autoimmune disease but had both vaccines without any problems. In fact, I'm pleased to have had the vaccine so that it's one less thing to worry about.
As for pregnant women, they are only pregnant for nine months, so as soon as the pregnancy is over, they can get jabbed.

Thats fine for you - but I think others should be given the choice not to take the vaccine if they regard it as a risk to health. Also with regards to pregnant women - its not just for nine months necessarily if they are breast feeding.

 

[Matt Penfold]

I haven't kept up with the latest advice for pregnancy as I am way too old for that. Interesting spelling of foetus.

Maybe then not offer an opinion.

 

[Matt Penfold]

Thats fine for you - but I think others should be given the choice not to take the vaccine if they regard it as a risk to health. Also with regards to pregnant women - its not just for nine months necessarily if they are breast feeding.

No one is going to be forced to have a vaccine, but if someone choose not to have it they must accept there may be consequences to their choice.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Thats fine for you - but I think others should be given the choice not to take the vaccine if they regard it as a risk to health. Also with regards to pregnant women - its not just for nine months necessarily if they are breast feeding.

WTF ? That’s great then. They have been given the choice.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

I haven't kept up with the latest advice for pregnancy as I am way too old for that. Interesting spelling of foetus.

Fetus is the recognised medical spelling.

 

[BenGarfield]

There have been trials conducted using the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in 12-18 year olds, and the vaccines have proven to be safe and effective. There are currently stage III trials underway in younger children.

Objecting to a vaccine on religious grounds has nothing to do with the ethics of the vaccines in question.

By children I meant the under 12s - your right the short term trials did cover the cohort above that age. Once the stage 3 trials have been completed, yes then the efficacy in children can be reviewed but it would be wrong in my view to inject them before then. As regards ethics, If people have religous objections to the vaccine I wouold argue that these are ethical ones. We might not agree to their ethical framework but I think they should be respected. Also, some strict vegans might have objections on the grounds that vaccine has been used by using Monkeys in their development.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

there have been virtually zero cases of covid in this age group

Completely untrue. You should retract that.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Many of the so called anti-vaxers are not anti every vaccine, and quitre happily take well established jabs for flu, tetanus etc, but have a particular problem with this novel trial of the MRNA vaccine, and have not based their views purely on face book but by reading basic government sourced data and medical journals. Some "anti-vaxers" dont oppose vaccines for the vulnerable groups - e.g. the over 70s, but have serious misgivings as to the efficacy or morality of giving MRNA -based vaccines to groups of people for whom the advantage is minimal ,or the risks from side effects are greater than catching the virus. Some of these people are world leading scientists and medical practioners - e.g Professors Carl Heneghan and Guptra of Oxford university, and the hundreds of scientists, medical professionals, and academics in the field of virology and public health who are signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration

Also are you saying that people should have no right to protest? I dont like the BNP, but I wouldnt prevent them holding a protest which stays peaceful and breaks no other laws.

You / They should read this book. It makes it VERY clear that no short cuts or clinical risks were taken in the development / production / trialling and roll out of the Oxford / Astra Zeneca vaccine. I got it for my birthday, it's a brilliant book.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vaxxers-Inside-AstraZeneca-Vaccine-Against/dp/1529369851

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Fetus is the recognised medical spelling.

Not on my records it wasn't but then that was a while ago.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

By children I meant the under 12s - your right the short term trials did cover the cohort above that age. Once the stage 3 trials have been completed, yes then the efficacy in children can be reviewed but it would be wrong in my view to inject them before then. As regards ethics, If people have religous objections to the vaccine I wouold argue that these are ethical ones. We might not agree to their ethical framework but I think they should be respected. Also, some strict vegans might have objections on the grounds that vaccine has been used by using Monkeys in their development.

Under 12s are not being vaccinated before then. Once again you are disagreeing with something that isn’t happening. Why ? Strict vegans ? My advice to them is don’t have it if you don’t want to but don’t spread misinformation on the internet nor disrupt people from attending vaccination centres.

 

[Nixonator]

As far as ethical reasons are concerned - some may have religious reasons for not taking the vaccine, many regard giving the vaccine to children as unethical as there have been virtually zero cases of covid in this age group, and not trials have been undertaken in this age group. Indeed, for this reason, the governments own advice does not recommend doing so. Re the full data- this is the normal process for the clinical trials of vaccines. Are you recommending that in future for all new medical interventions, all phase 3 (long-term) trials should be abandoned and that only phase 2 trials should be used before releasing them for wider use? Wouldnt that be rather risky?

What? My immediate family must be tremendously unlucky then considering both my nephews and their cousins have all had it.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Many of the so called anti-vaxers are not anti every vaccine, and quitre happily take well established jabs for flu, tetanus etc, but have a particular problem with this novel trial of the MRNA vaccine, and have not based their views purely on face book but by reading basic government sourced data and medical journals. Some "anti-vaxers" dont oppose vaccines for the vulnerable groups - e.g. the over 70s, but have serious misgivings as to the efficacy or morality of giving MRNA -based vaccines to groups of people for whom the advantage is minimal ,or the risks from side effects are greater than catching the virus. Some of these people are world leading scientists and medical practioners - e.g Professors Carl Heneghan and Guptra of Oxford university, and the hundreds of scientists, medical professionals, and academics in the field of virology and public health who are signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration

Also are you saying that people should have no right to protest? I dont like the BNP, but I wouldnt prevent them holding a protest which stays peaceful and breaks no other laws.

Protesting to stop people getting the vaccine is out of order. If you don’t want it then fine but trying to stop people who do is shithouse of the highest order.

The academics that you reference are anti lockdown rather than anti vaccine.


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[Deportivo Seagull]

As far as ethical reasons are concerned - some may have religious reasons for not taking the vaccine, many regard giving the vaccine to children as unethical as there have been virtually zero cases of covid in this age group, and not trials have been undertaken in this age group. Indeed, for this reason, the governments own advice does not recommend doing so. Re the full data- this is the normal process for the clinical trials of vaccines. Are you recommending that in future for all new medical interventions, all phase 3 (long-term) trials should be abandoned and that only phase 2 trials should be used before releasing them for wider use? Wouldnt that be rather risky?

Which may be the case but it doesn’t give you the right to intimidate those that wish to get the vaccine. What it does do is make you a **** of the highest order.


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[BenGarfield]

No one is going to be forced to have a vaccine, but if someone choose not to have it they must accept there may be consequences to their choice.

Yes they are effectively being forced to take the jab in some circumstances, if they work in a Nursing Home for example. The consequences should be for them to decide on health grounds not because of societal pressure to conform. Do you think that we should now make it compulsory in future to have the flu jab, measils (much more deadly than covid for the young) or for meningitis? if not, what criterion would you use to make a jab mandatory?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Yes they are effectively being forced to take the jab in some circumstances, if they work in a Nursing Home for example. The consequences should be for them to decide on health grounds not because of societal pressure to conform. Do you think that we should now make it compulsory in future to have the flu jab, measils (much more deadly than covid for the young) or for meningitis? if not, what criterion would you use to make a jab mandatory?

It is already mandatory to be vaccinated against various diseases to get certain jobs in the NHS and special needs schools, amongst others. My wife has had to provide proof of vaccination several times in the past few decades. It is not new. As usual you are completely uninformed. And yes it also needs to be compulsory in care homes. I don’t want anti vaxxers looking after/infecting/killing my elderly relatives.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

By children I meant the under 12s - your right the short term trials did cover the cohort above that age. Once the stage 3 trials have been completed, yes then the efficacy in children can be reviewed but it would be wrong in my view to inject them before then. As regards ethics, If people have religous objections to the vaccine I wouold argue that these are ethical ones. We might not agree to their ethical framework but I think they should be respected. Also, some strict vegans might have objections on the grounds that vaccine has been used by using Monkeys in their development.

If you refuse the vaccine for religious reasons then that’s fine. You can deal with the consequences. You are just trying to justify your decision not to take it by using others.


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[Deportivo Seagull]

Yes they are effectively being forced to take the jab in some circumstances, if they work in a Nursing Home for example. The consequences should be for them to decide on health grounds not because of societal pressure to conform. Do you think that we should now make it compulsory in future to have the flu jab, measils (much more deadly than covid for the young) or for meningitis? if not, what criterion would you use to make a jab mandatory?

So what would you say to someone who is loved one died from COVID-19 whilst in a home because it was brought in by someone who wasn’t vaccinated and chose not to be?
If you work in such an environment you gave a duty of care to those under your care.


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[Thunder Bolt]

It is already mandatory to be vaccinated against various diseases to get certain jobs in the NHS and special needs schools, amongst others. My wife has had to provide proof of vaccination several times in the past few decades. It is not new. As usual you are completely uninformed. And yes it also needs to be compulsory in care homes. I don’t want anti vaxxers looking after/infecting/killing my elderly relatives.

I agree. Hep B and Typhoid jabs were par for the course for emergency workers long before c19 arrived.

 

[Pevenseagull]

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[Thunder Bolt]

How do you block people? Never found the need before but my piss is starting to boil.


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