Never stop laughing at this!

[Buzzer]

You're just a right wing elitist, sneering at my misuse of the term 'inferred assumption', when I should have said 'inference' .

Not an elitist, I just happen to know that inferrences and assumptions are separate things. Any sneering is only in your imagination.

I presume you intended the irony of using a quotation to suggest that one shouldn't use quotations.

Yes. I think they are lazy, often misused and do nothing other than allow the person who uses them to appear clever by proxy.

 

[Stato]

Any sneering is only in your imagination.

No it was an, obviously failed, attempt at a gag.

 

[Buzzer]

1) Statistically, you are likely to be more intelligent than the person you are arguing with: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html. This does not mean that all right wingers lack intelligence, just that those who do lack intelligence are more likely to be attracted to right wing politics and they skew the statistical probability.

I wonder how this study now stands given the huge numbers of people who defected from Labour to UKIP in the last election. Intelligence isn't transient, people don't suddenly get thick and then become clever again at some point at a later date.

They also add that conservatives (small c) are more likely to be prejudiced against homosexuals. That's not true given that a survey in the Pink Paper or Gay Times (I forget which) before the election had the Tories as the most popular party within that group. I think I'm right in saying that something like 60 or 70% of muslims voted Labour but I don't think I'm going out on a limb here to say that there's more discrimination against alternative lifestyles or sexualities amongst muslim communities than conservative middle-class white communities.

 

[Buzzer]

No it was an, obviously failed, attempt at a gag.

It was just a statement of fact. Assumptions and inferrences mean different things. I'll be honest, I'm struggling to see how you read that as a sneer or a joke in what I wrote. You're quite defensive and there's no need.

 

[piersa]

Champagne Socialist = Person with money AND a conscience. Baffling how this has been made into an insult.

For your information.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/champagne-socialist

 

[Nibble]

This thread is sooooooooo last week.

 

[del strangefish]

Souths's Gonna Rise Again

 

[Stato]

I wonder how this study now stands given the huge numbers of people who defected from Labour to UKIP in the last election. Intelligence isn't transient, people don't suddenly get thick and then become clever again at some point at a later date.

They also add that conservatives (small c) are more likely to be prejudiced against homosexuals. That's not true given that a survey in the Pink Paper or Gay Times (I forget which) before the election had the Tories as the most popular party within that group. I think I'm right in saying that something like 60 or 70% of muslims voted Labour but I don't think I'm going out on a limb here to say that there's more discrimination against alternative lifestyles or sexualities amongst muslim communities than conservative middle-class white communities.

Its a tricky survey which I must admit I used slightly dishonestly in order to have a little dig.

Looking at it seriously, the article doesn't explain the full methodology. The authors must have decided upon a cut off point which would define low intelligence and would obviously have risks of bias in where to draw this line. If I have understood it correctly, it also did not question people about voting intention. People choose which way to vote for multifaceted reasons and it may not be the case that those who gave 'right wing' answers to the questions, voted for right wing parties, or even voted at all. Radio 4's PM did a good piece on this in the run up to the election.

It cannot be assumed that people who have voted Labour currently or in the past would not give 'right wing' answers to the selected questions. The trade union movement actually has things to be ashamed of in some of its reactions to the 'Windrush' and subsequent immigrations of the second half of the twentieth century.

It can't be assumed that gay people vote for the party that gives most prominence to gay rights. They will be just as impacted by economic decisions as anybody. Cameron has also made strides in disaligning his Conservatives from the social conservatism of the Thatcher years.

Similarly with Muslims. Social conservatism appears to be taking second place to a left leaning economic view. Trying to balance the two seems to have led Geroge Galloway into making some questionable decisions.

As you have suggested in some of your previous posts, it is very tricky to associate particular parties with particular moralities. The polarisation of the Thatcher years seems to have led to the assumption that economically right and socially right go hand in hand. There may have been more truth in this during the eighties, but it wasn't necessarilly this way before, nor now.

 

[Buzzer]

Its a tricky survey which I must admit I used slightly dishonestly in order to have a little dig.

Looking at it seriously, the article doesn't explain the full methodology. The authors must have decided upon a cut off point which would define low intelligence and would obviously have risks of bias in where to draw this line. If I have understood it correctly, it also did not question people about voting intention. People choose which way to vote for multifaceted reasons and it may not be the case that those who gave 'right wing' answers to the questions, voted for right wing parties, or even voted at all. Radio 4's PM did a good piece on this in the run up to the election.

It cannot be assumed that people who have voted Labour currently or in the past would not give 'right wing' answers to the selected questions. The trade union movement actually has things to be ashamed of in some of its reactions to the 'Windrush' and subsequent immigrations of the second half of the twentieth century.

It can't be assumed that gay people vote for the party that gives most prominence to gay rights. They will be just as impacted by economic decisions as anybody. Cameron has also made strides in disaligning his Conservatives from the social conservatism of the Thatcher years.

Similarly with Muslims. Social conservatism appears to be taking second place to a left leaning economic view. Trying to balance the two seems to have led Geroge Galloway into making some questionable decisions.

As you have suggested in some of your previous posts, it is very tricky to associate particular parties with particular moralities. The polarisation of the Thatcher years seems to have led to the assumption that economically right and socially right go hand in hand. There may have been more truth in this during the eighties, but it wasn't necessarilly this way before, nor now.

A post we can agree on. Great post.

 

[Stato]

It was just a statement of fact. Assumptions and inferrences mean different things. I'll be honest, I'm struggling to see how you read that as a sneer or a joke in what I wrote. You're quite defensive and there's no need.

I haven't made myself clear. I meant that my describing you as an elitist was intended to be a self parodying joke, given that I had just written a criticsm of people who do the very same thing. My joke failed. My explanation of my failed joke also failed. I am starting to see the point of emoticons, but am still too middle class and middle aged to make use of them.

 

[Buzzer]

I haven't made myself clear. I meant that my describing you as an elitist was intended to be a self parodying joke, given that I had just written a criticsm of people who do the very same thing. My joke failed. My explanation of my failed joke also failed. I am starting to see the point of emoticons, but am still too middle class and middle aged to make use of them.

Ah. Sorry I was a bit slow on the uptake there. I blame my inherent right-wing denseness.

 

[Mellotron]

For your information.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/champagne-socialist

Doesn't alter what I said at all.

 

[mikeyjh]

Champagne Socialist = Person with money AND a conscience. Baffling how this has been made into an insult.

Quite, says more about those that use the term and their inability to grasp the concept that one can be concerned for the welfare of those less well off than ones self....

 

[Questions]

Sitting watching the telly at 12.27 in the afternoon. You wanna be careful, that could contravene your jobseekers contract. Dave'll have you working in Poundland 40 hours a week on no pay if he gets wind of this.

What time did The Jeremy Kyle show finish ?

 

[piersa]

Doesn't alter what I said at all.

You could write your own dictionary?

 

[HantsSeagull]

If he is working class as he claims, the laughter will soon turn to tears.

If large chunks of the so called 'working class' never voted for the Tories, they would never get in. Most 'working class' people are aspiring 'middle class' people and they vote for what they see as their best chance of achieving that - hence we get Conservative majorities.

 

[Stato]

If large chunks of the so called 'working class' never voted for the Tories, they would never get in. Most 'working class' people are aspiring 'middle class' people and they vote for what they see as their best chance of achieving that - hence we get Conservative majorities.

You're right, but it is a strange view for people to hold given the evidence of how rarely aspiriations are acheived: http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/may/22/social-mobility-data-charts

 

[Del Fenner]

I find David Cameron's Prime Minister impersonations hilarious.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

I find David Cameron's Prime Minister impersonations hilarious.

I wonder if the EU will see the comedic value after he throws a hissy fit when the other 26 member states show him the middle finger ?

 

[Buzzer]

I wonder if the EU will see the comedic value after he throws a hissy fit when the other 26 member states show him the middle finger ?

You sure about that? It seems that the UK have the Germans on-board with regards how they want to see the EU reformed.