national strike

[dexter]

your views please on the up and coming national strike of people that my taxes employ

 

[AMEXican Wave]

Actually, by striking they are saving you your taxes.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Those people who are striking will lose a days pay but also pay taxes themselves, income tax and VAT.

 

[brixtonA23]

Self serving ineptitude living in a world that existed 30 years ago.

So that's a no for strike action.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Yep,bring it on. Then see how much the PUBLIC supports YOU. Welcome to the REAL world.

 

[empire]

And the schools got a cheek to fine parents that take their kids out,
of school for a cheaper holiday,
Not only are they off wed from their school,they break up a week earlier for xmas,so they can move into new build school.
So they get 4 weeks off,unfuckingbeleivable

 

[beorhthelm]

unions want a fight. i heard two different leaders contradict how the government was destroying their members pensions (one said it doesnt go in to a pot, the other saying the pot would be underfunded), while both ignoring the fact that the tax payer is the one funding them in the end.

 

[jackanada]

Cue many pages of people arguing thereby distracting from the fact that both public and private sector workers have been shafted plenty over the years and will continue to be shafted. Unless you are a High Net Worth Individual in which case changes to pensions in 2005 took a couple of billion extra out the tax pot and into your pensions. Divide and conquer - oldest trick in the book.

 

[DIFFBROOK]

Top post!

Cue many pages of people arguing thereby distracting from the fact that both public and private sector workers have been shafted plenty over the years and will continue to be shafted. Unless you are a High Net Worth Individual in which case changes to pensions in 2005 took a couple of billion extra out the tax pot and into your pensions. Divide and conquer - oldest trick in the book.

 

[brightonrock]

I'm pretty sure, unless I've made a dramatic error, public sector workers also pay tax? And also, another potential misunderstanding on my part, but I believe we live in a democracy where the right to withdraw labour is a legitimate form of protest? Call me a whingeing limp-wristed soft liberal leftie if you like, but power to them. I'd be pissed off if I was in their position. They're lucky enough to have a union to join. :S

 

[drew]

Get fed up with all these high an mighty private sector employees berating people who are trying to protect their contractural agreements which, in many cases, only had been reviewed in the last few years with many being changed to reflect the changes in longevity etc. You're not telling me that all the actuarial statistics have changed in the last 3 years. These changes are purely about the government attacking a sector well represented by the Unions that fund their rivals. It is about appearing to make savings in the immediate future when in fact any savings won't materialise probably for another ten years because anyone due to retire within the next 10 years won't be affected.

In addition, they bang on and on about 'their taxes etc etc paying these pensions'. What they seem to ignore is the fact that in one way or another, all pensions are paid for by all consumers, whether that be by the way of taxes or the cost of products we buy whether we work in the private or public sector.

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

I don't see what they hope to achieve. I was a Civil Servant for six years and joined the PCS as it seemed a good idea to be in the union. Our Home Office leadership were fairly decent, but my beef is with Serwotka, who in my view is not acting in workers' interest, but out of his agenda as a hardline socialist; there were just as many strikes under Labour. I remember in 2008-9 they tried to bring us out over the pay offer (may have only been a Home Office dispute, I can't remember). I didn't have the cheek to join in, having been offered a 4.5% pay increase that year. The turnout for the strike in the Home Office was 11%. Many then who wouldn't strike over pay though said that pensions would be the one thing that would bring them out. I think it is fair enough to expect new entrants to pay more for their pension - you join on the terms you are offered, and if you don't like them you don't join, whereas to make people who joined a scheme in good faith pay more than what they signed up for it is rather dodgy. Saying that, it happens in the private sector all the time.

 

[The_Viper]

It'll do me fine say thank ya, I DID have a 12pm lecture on Wednesday, now I don't, and therefore no need to rush back from Derby tomorrow.

 

[goodoldsussexbythesea]

decent for me, day off school

 

[JJB]

bunch of ungrateful wankers. As it is with these reforms they still have better pensions than most in the private sector. People atm want everything for nothing and are unwilling to make comprimises.

 

[My Name Is Gully]

bunch of ungrateful wankers. As it is with these reforms they still have better pensions than most in the private sector. People atm want everything for nothing and are unwilling to make comprimises.

There goes the voice of reason, a clearly succinct and well thought out response - you sir are a moron!

 

[Gangsta]

Cue many pages of people arguing thereby distracting from the fact that both public and private sector workers have been shafted plenty over the years and will continue to be shafted. Unless you are a High Net Worth Individual in which case changes to pensions in 2005 took a couple of billion extra out the tax pot and into your pensions. Divide and conquer - oldest trick in the book.

Er, no it didnt. I work in the pension industry. The A-day rule changes attempt to catch the top-enders with massive taxation on benefits, and further rules have since come in to prevent abuse of rules by this same group including further reductions in tax relief for earners over £100k. Of course footbalers and the like have since looked to dodgy Jersey type schemes to use offshore rules to get round these new curbs. This shouldnt have been possible as good old Gordon threatened the offshore havens with the wrath of god if they didnt pack it in. So far nothing has been done, so once again the same group get away with it and I have to get clients to complete even more pointless paperwork that only affects 0.1% of the populaton lucky enough to have the sort of pension funds you are thinking of.

As for the Public Sector. They have got to wake up - the current pension schemes are unaffordbale and have been for the last 30 years. Successive governments have known this and burried it. Blair got conviction politican Frank Field to come up with a solution. When he got the answers, Field was sidelined and recomendations ignored. This is an unfortunate place we are now in. Unions know the truth but they will fight it as that is their job. The pensions as they stand are unaffordable - do not beleive a word of the unions and the vodoo economics they troll out on TV. The defined benefit schemes do not work with the rising mortality rates and the type of inflation linked incomes they provide are unsupportable in low inflation/low interest rate economies ( which we have had in the last 15 odd years ) and the low funding rate they receive from members ( in real terms ). The maths dont add up, so successive governments have hidden the real future libailities off of the national debt figs as they have got bigger and bigger each year. This has to stop, and at last a government has got the bottle to do it. I just hope they see it through.

 

[hitony]

There goes the voice of reason, a clearly succinct and well thought out response - you sir are a moron![/QUOTE]

So name calling is clearly a well thought out response?

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

bunch of ungrateful wankers. As it is with these reforms they still have better pensions than most in the private sector. People atm want everything for nothing and are unwilling to make comprimises.

this seems to be the Occupy ___________ group, they want Communism-esque-ness so that hard working people have to share their spoils with the occupy group. It's just a glorified way of what benefit cheats do...f*** you, i can sit on my arse, and you will pay for me.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Er, no it didnt. I work in the pension industry. The A-day rule changes attempt to catch the top-enders with massive taxation on benefits, and further rules have since come in to prevent abuse of rules by this same group including further reductions in tax relief for earners over £100k. Of course footbalers and the like have since looked to dodgy Jersey type schemes to use offshore rules to get round these new curbs. This shouldnt have been possible as good old Gordon threatened the offshore havens with the wrath of god if they didnt pack it in. So far nothing has been done, so once again the same group get away with it and I have to get clients to complete even more pointless paperwork that only affects 0.1% of the populaton lucky enough to have the sort of pension funds you are thinking of.

As for the Public Sector. They have got to wake up - the current pension schemes are unaffordbale and have been for the last 30 years. Successive governments have known this and burried it. Blair got conviction politican Frank Field to come up with a solution. When he got the answers, Field was sidelined and recomendations ignored. This is an unfortunate place we are now in. Unions know the truth but they will fight it as that is their job. The pensions as they stand are unaffordable - do not beleive a word of the unions and the vodoo economics they troll out on TV. The defined benefit schemes do not work with the rising mortality rates and the type of inflation linked incomes they provide are unsupportable in low inflation/low interest rate economies ( which we have had in the last 15 odd years ) and the low funding rate they receive from members ( in real terms ). The maths dont add up, so successive governments have hidden the real future libailities off of the national debt figs as they have got bigger and bigger each year. This has to stop, and at last a government has got the bottle to do it. I just hope they see it through.

There speaks the truth.

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