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[Albion] Napoli interested in Billy Gilmour **Sold 30/08/24**



LamieRobertson

LamieRobertson

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Feb 3, 2008
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dwayne said:
He played the full game Vs Everton and was roasted time and time again, by an average winger. And was way out of his depth Vs man u. I sincerely hope he's not starting tomorrow, it's unfair on him and the team.
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He did not play the full game you numpty and was most definitely not out of his depth against MU …😂😂😂😂

Hope the attached helps if not pop down to Specsavers

Good grief ….reading further into the thread I see you have carried over your hatred for another Brighton player onto the Billy Gilmour thread ….WTF!

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Han Solo

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Machiavelli said:
He played in a two in midfield -- you might want to call it a double pivot. His partner in midfield racked up goals, assists and pre-assists galore. Billy managed a sprightly one assist, and that's being generous (as the Newcastle goalie spilled his shot to Fergie).
Billy is a great pro, very tidy on the ball. But he is so slow and lacks physicality which is why he didn't win hardly any tackles. You need more than one attribute to play DCM. Billy was very good at recycling the ball. But he couldn't tackle and snuff out counter-attacks. Nor was he creative enough to create openings. Ali Mac could do all three, and still does. Caicedo was/is exemplary at two of them, as was Pascal.

There, there's my football lesson for you.
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Last season we had two pivote players responsible for winning the ball back, which isn't Gilmours strong side (quite the opposite). This season we play a "regista" in midfield behind the five ball winning players (MC, AMC, FC, LW, RW).

They are supposed to make life rough enough for opponents so that they have to be chancey when they build up play, hopefully (if we dont manage to win it back through pressuring) playing it long so our defenders can deal with it. We're going to have ball winners like Baleba and Milner playing higher up the pitch than the playmaker, because we want to win the ball on their half (or close to it).

Another big difference in our play now is that the starting position of the striker is in midfield. The idea is that we'll find a ball to a running striker rather than someone stationed in the penalty box. Having someone like Billy trying to pick that breakthrough ball rather than the arbitrary pass to a random winger would have been so good to see imho.

I hope promising Mats Wieffer a starting role is worth it. I didn't see a lot of Feyenoord last season and will refrain from making some kind of prediction on his quality. From the little I've seen he's "good but not going to be sold for £115m".
 






peterward

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Weststander said:
People defend Gilmour’s paucity of goals/assists by saying he’s a defensive midfielder. I don’t see that myself. But going with that theory, Caicedo’s defensive numbers for us were markedly superior.

It was patently obvious to those who go to games. From the very first minute Caicedo was a destroyer, also adding pace and quickening our transitions.
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I dont disagree for one minute WS, Caicedo was better for us than WBG was, but they are different types of players with different attibutes.

I think we had Chelseas pants down with the fee for Caicedo and Napoli have just had ours down for the reported fee for WBG.

We do miss that player in the Biss/Caicedo mold more than we will WBG...... only Baleba shows that potential type of physical presence.

But we still have lost a very handy and good player in WBG and it seems an absolute steal for circa £11m
 


Stato

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mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:
I can understand the meltdown.

This only leaves us with Weiffer, Beleba, Milner, O'Riley, Moder, Ayari, Gruda and Hinshelwood to fill those 2 spots in CM.
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People keep including Gruda as a CM option. He's not. He's never played a senior game in centre midfield. He's an attacker, winger or attacking midfielder like Enciso, Sarmiento or Buonanotte.
 


peterward

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Bozza said:
Similar angst here.

When picking up Mrs Bozza on her way home from work I'll ask where she wants me to meet her. Often the response would be BGR, short for Billy Gilmour's Road.

What the hell are we going to refer to it as now?
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BGFR

Billy Gilmours former Road!
 
















Seagull58

Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
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Han Solo said:
That's one take. Here's another:

With his current quality and development trajectory, he should reach the level Mac Allister had when he really started to show he was a world class midfielder. He is already a high quality player in the Premier League. When he was missing for a seven game spell in February and March, we played Championship level football every week.

His passing, positioning and reading o.f the game is elite tier stuff and his duelling has improved a lot. He is a key player for us and one of the most promising defensive playmakers in the world. There is no chance we are letting him go for any less than £50m.
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Your credibility is in the crapper.
 






Zeberdi

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Gully Forever said:
Where the hell is our midfield now.
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It’s here


And we weren’t the only ones interested in Gruda (a potential World Cup player) - Bayern Munich were interested and Bayer Leverkusen. Mainz were asking an exorbitant asking fee of up to €50m until Hürzeler stepped in and convinced Gruda to join Brighton for a smaller fee.

And here


(Read the analytics piece on Rutter on the Albion website)

£65 million for the pair of them.

Hürzeler likes midfielders that can score goals and service strikers. Something even the most ardent of WBG fans admit the wee Scottish lad was lacking a talent for.
 




deletebeepbeepbeep

deletebeepbeepbeep

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Zeberdi said:
It’s here


And we weren’t the only ones interested in Gruda (a potential World Cup player) - Bayern Munich were interested and Bayer Leverkusen. Mainz were asking an exorbitant asking fee of up to €50m until Hürzeler stepped in and convinced Gruda to join Brighton for a smaller fee.

And here


(Read the analytics piece on Rutter on the Albion website)

£65 million for the pair of them.

Hürzeler likes midfielders that can score goals. Something even the most ardent of WBG fans admit the wee Scottish lad was lacking a talent for.
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Gruda and Rutter are not central midfielders no matter how much you want to imagine that they are.
 




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Seagull58 said:
Your credibility is in the crapper.
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I go out on limbs. A lot of times I get it right - not good enough on Excel to know how often - and sometimes I don't.

I've spent dumb time trying to figure out how the club functions around transfers and what kind of qualities that are desired etc. but I'm no feckin Tony Bloom you know? And I have no idea what the Sussexian milkmen are whispering. I can only go by what seems logical.

I get some transfers wrong every window, which imho happens easily, but I also get a lot of them right, which is not so easy.
 




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