Nani, Gomes and THAT Goal

[Herr Tubthumper]

All things considered, if I were a Spurs fan I'd be thinking my 'keeper is a bit of a prick.

I'd probably think the same about the dullard of a manager as well.

 

[Beach Hut]

Gomes entirely at fault and should listen to the whistle.

 

[beardy gull]

For those saying the ref should have brought it back when the advantage didn't work out, I'm pretty sure this is only the case when the advantage doesn't come about through no fault of the wronged side. Gomes cocked up.
Also as mentioned previously, if he thought it was a free kick where the hell was he taking it from?

 

[Acker79]

For those saying the ref should have brought it back when the advantage didn't work out, I'm pretty sure this is only the case when the advantage doesn't come about through no fault of the wronged side. Gomes cocked up.

Not according to the law as I copy and pasted it. ("allows play to continue when the team against which an offence has been committed will benefit from such an advantage and penalises the original offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time") It's at the referee's discretion.

 

[beardy gull]

Not according to the law as I copy and pasted it. ("allows play to continue when the team against which an offence has been committed will benefit from such an advantage and penalises the original offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time") It's at the referee's discretion.

Yes, and referee's generally act as I suggested.

 

[Razi]

Since I had a 13 hour nightshift with no internet and just Sky News for entertainment, this was repeated enough times to clearly see what occurred. To clear a few things up:

The linesman did NOT flag when the handball took place. He didn't flag when Gomes put the ball down. He didn't flag when Nani put the ball in the net. He then DID flag when Clattenburg awarded the goal. I assume this was done to bring the referees attention to something.

The Spurs players were NOT told to back off. One of them ran over to the linesman originally, who must've said that he saw the handball and wanted to tell the referee. At this point, the Spurs player pulled all of his own players away as he felt that the linesman would advise the referee not to award the goal - and he didn't want any Spurs players jeopardising any decision. When Clattenburg went over (and Rio continually gave his input), Clattenburg awarded the goal. You can then see the original Spurs player look in total shock, as this was against what the linesman had just told him.

So, there was never any need to play advantage, as there was never any indication of a foul taking place until AFTER the goal had been awarded. So any discussion on that is highly irrelevant.

End of matter - Gomes thought a freekick had been awarded. It hadn't. So he's at fault. Not Nani, nor the officials.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

So, there was never any need to play advantage, as there was never any indication of a foul taking place until AFTER the goal had been awarded. So any discussion on that is highly irrelevant.

Sorry, don't understand that bit. If the referee saw the handball, but decide to play an advantage, he doesn't have to signal anything

 

[Westdene Wonder]

The Hon Sec is spot on, it may be that the ref did not see the delibrate hand ball but the linesman did and did speak to the ref, was his opinion ignored?
A great majority would have acted as Gomes did when seeing at close quarters Nani`s handball.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Sorry, don't understand that bit. If the referee saw the handball, but decide to play an advantage, he doesn't have to signal anything

He does - two arms out in front

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Anyone remember the Gary Crosby goal for Forest-v-Manchester City back in the 80,s (must be on Youtube ?) where he caught Andy 'Dozy' Dibble out ? Classic goalkeeping error,just like Gomes.

 

[marshallmercury]

Nani - Should not have handled the ball. He may have thought it was a penalty, but as so many people are quick to tell Gomes "play to the referee's whistle". There's also an element of fair play. He knew he handballed it, he knew that's why Gomes put the ball down. But fair play isn't so important in football these days, unfortunately.

This is the most sensible post in this thread. Fair play has gone out the window these days. It's win at all costs even if it means killing your granny!
He knew he handballed it (almost cuddled the ball) and he knew thats why Gomes put the ball down. He just cheated moral fair play. It's just another nail in the coffin for football in some people's eyes.

 

[Pavilionaire]

This incident makes football look stupid (again).

You can dispute the letter of the law this way and that, but given Nani clearly handballed there's no way Utd should have been awarded a goal. He dived, then he handballed it, then he showed poor sportmanship.

Yes, Gomes should have played to the whistle, there's no doubt about that and, yes, Man Utd desrved to win anyway.

Clattenburg is an idiot though. The Mendes goal of 5 years ago showed that and this is more of the same.

 

[keaton]

The only controversial part of it was why the druggy was allowed to stand next to them shouting and everyone else was waved away. Didn't Modric get booked for talking to the ref as well, and he's a team captain?

 

[Superphil]

Since I had a 13 hour nightshift with no internet and just Sky News for entertainment, this was repeated enough times to clearly see what occurred. To clear a few things up:

The linesman did NOT flag when the handball took place. He didn't flag when Gomes put the ball down. He didn't flag when Nani put the ball in the net. He then DID flag when Clattenburg awarded the goal. I assume this was done to bring the referees attention to something.

The Spurs players were NOT told to back off. One of them ran over to the linesman originally, who must've said that he saw the handball and wanted to tell the referee. At this point, the Spurs player pulled all of his own players away as he felt that the linesman would advise the referee not to award the goal - and he didn't want any Spurs players jeopardising any decision. When Clattenburg went over (and Rio continually gave his input), Clattenburg awarded the goal. You can then see the original Spurs player look in total shock, as this was against what the linesman had just told him.

So, there was never any need to play advantage, as there was never any indication of a foul taking place until AFTER the goal had been awarded. So any discussion on that is highly irrelevant.

End of matter - Gomes thought a freekick had been awarded. It hadn't. So he's at fault. Not Nani, nor the officials.

Don't you dare go bringing facts into a discussion about Manchester United being cheats and all referees are scared to make a decision at OT, shame on you.

 

[JJ McClure]

The whole thing just ramps up my hatred of Man Utd. Rio getting in the face of the ref and lino is clearly wrong, but more than that was how OTT Nani's celebration was. Anyone else would have been embarassed but he milked it big time, what a twunt.

 

[NMH]

If a ref can play to an 'advantage' rule that continues play, surely he should be aware enough to realize this was a 'disadvantage' play that ought to stop play.

Apparently these refs can always blame the text in the rule books, but no longer 'think on their feet'?

 

[Easy 10]

The ref didn't play an advantage at all - how can a team have an advantage when its all the way back in its own penalty area ? It wasn't an advantageous position for Spurs, it wasn't in the middle of a promising build-up. Hence he didn't put the arms-out signal for an advantage being played, because all he was doing was saying "just play on".

He did this instead of dragging it back for a free kick, which would just have caused more delays and broken the play up when Spurs were pushing for an equaliser. Refs are instructed to allow games to flow as much as possible.

Forget the arguments about the advantage rule, all he did was say "PLAY ON".

 

[somerset]

Good grief........... allows play to continue when the team against which an offence has been
committed will benefit from such an advantage and penalises the original
offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue at that time ............ its very simple even for football fans,............ ADVANTAGE DID NOT ENSUE..... so bring the play back to the original offence..... its not brain surgery.

 

[Mellotron]

The ref didn't play an advantage at all - how can a team have an advantage when its all the way back in its own penalty area ? It wasn't an advantageous position for Spurs, it wasn't in the middle of a promising build-up. Hence he didn't put the arms-out signal for an advantage being played, because all he was doing was saying "just play on".

He did this instead of dragging it back for a free kick, which would just have caused more delays and broken the play up when Spurs were pushing for an equaliser. Refs are instructed to allow games to flow as much as possible.

Forget the arguments about the advantage rule, all he did was say "PLAY ON".

Have you EVER heard a ref just say "play on" after a deliberate handball, in the history of football? Doubt it.

 

[Easy 10]

Have you EVER heard a ref just say "play on" after a deliberate handball, in the history of football? Doubt it.

Then why didn't he do the \ / sign to indicate 'advantage' then ?

Gomes had the ball. Spurs were in their own penalty area, not on the attack, so there was no "advantage" there to play. They wern't in a promising position, he was just giving them the opportunity to get on with it quickly.

Unfortunately for Spurs, Gomes was too thick to realise, and instead started lining up to take a free kick ten yards from where the incident took place, and with no whistle having been blown. If Gomes wasn't so retarded, and had indeed just played on as instructed, then there wouldn't have been an issue.