Mysterious Disney Documentary about UFOs

[Barrel of Fun]

heheh - it's eating properly that can help allow one to tap into other dimensions.

sigh...re-read the other thread - i simply questioned why MSM publications (owned by z*****s) say 6m died, wheras the aushwitz museum reduced the official ammount from 4m to 1m.

keep grabbing your off the shelf buzzwords "anti-semite" and "holocaust denier" - for they cease questioning.

nibble, i'm glad normal service has resumed - yesterday i really liked one of your posts and had to have a lie down ;-)

Hybrid, you don't seem to have addressed the point of fact (posted by [MENTION=5200]Buzzer[/MENTION] - I can't find his post) that the purported 1m was solely those whom perished at Aushwitz, not the entire amount of people killed in the Holocaust.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Gornaya Shoria in Siberia is one recently discovered remote site with these troublesome beautifully cleaved granite blocks. The estimated size? 3,000 tons. Stacked on top of each other!

Builders? Unknown, age...probably very ancient. 12,000 years is considered likely by the first scientists on site.

That's the end of the ice age folks. Wooly mammoths, cavemen.

Gobelkli Tepe in turkey. Massive megaliths, built one on top of the other under a man made hill...the further the archaeologists dig the more massive the megaliths, the better the quality...builders? Unknown age, 12,000 years SO FAR.

It just keeps coming. The evidence for a very advanced culture, lost in the ancient past. The sites display evidence of some huge tumult, a flood or other massive event. It's likely to be the thaw at the end of the ice age, which ended VERY abruptly judging by the evidence of mass extinction of ice age mammals and the huge boneyards discovered in Alaska, Siberia and elsewhere, sabre tooth tigers, wooly rhino, mammoths, bison all jumbled up in vast graveyards of the flood.

There is something here that, bit by bit, is coming to light.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Is the crux of the matter.

The sites mentioned in this thread have this anomaly in common. The biggest and most mind boggling blocks are at the bottom. The later phases are crudely built on top by more modern peoples. Strangely though it is seemingly normal for archaeologists to date the sites from the newest features as that fits the thing into a more sensible paradigm for them.

Anyone who watches Time Team knows that dating evidence works from the bottom up, not the other way around so how does archaeology square that circle? They scoff at people who ask..."hang on, what went on here" and call them nutters.

Baalbeck being a case in point. Archaeologists assert that the site is roman. The Romans themselves were clear that the 1,200 ton megaliths were already there when they arrived in Lebanon and they then built on top of them to show the locals who was boss.

 

[Nibble]

To suggest that archaeologists are dismissing these structures because they "don't fit into the timeline" is ludicrous. True archaeologists are very happy to admit anomalies in theories and will be scrabbling to be the first team to figure out what occurred. To think otherwise shows someone up to know next to nothing about how true archaeology works.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

see, you start off with a statement seemingly factual, then immediatly contradict it: the scientific theory is sound, all thats required is a workable theory. so which is it, do we have a theory or not?

then you take this "scientific principle" and dispense with all the actual science. acoustic levitation is a concept, an idea, a method that might work. the science is in how it works, and brings with it a whole bunch of assumptions and laws of physics. such as, you need a crap load of energy to lift a 1500 ton stone, sustained over time. doesnt matter if aliens, magic, Ganesh or acoustic levitators are used, 1500tons is an awfull lot of rock to argue with gravity. yes im aware this is problem for men too. however, to bring in some technical problems, the acoustic levitator needs to be underneath the object to work, which is a bit difficult to implement (presumably still in place under the rocks resting place?). and its also inefficient, dragging a big rock across the ground requires alot less energy than lifting and moving it does (experiment to illustrate: climb up a half dozen flights of stairs. compare with walking the same distance on a level). and then theres problems like does the acoustics shatter the rock.
then you laughably dismiss the scientific principle of men pulling stuff, which does have a flaw of how well it scales, but is very well understood as scientific principle: men/animals with ropes, dollys, levers, earthworks and massive whips can move big rocks. there isnt a science question, theres a question of engineering, *how* it was done with the known or supposed knowable technology.

so really you've proposed nothing but half-baked psuedo-science, which was my point. frankly aliens done it makes more sence, and they wouldnt do it with acoustic levitation.

It could be that you're right. It probably was men with dollies, levers and large animals. The issue,then,is not how but who and why?

The contention is fairly straightforward. There was no culture known on earth at that time who is recorded by history that had the technical ability to do more than hunting and gathering. The monoliths come from a time when agriculture hadn't been begun, according to the known paradigm, and the idea of cities and societies was still far distant.

These unknown builders were moving carved monolith weighing many hundreds of tons and laying them carefully on top of each other and leaving no evidence of their tools or techniques on some of these sites. Actually the most impressive are probably the most ancient and most sterile when it comes to toos etc.

This was going on across the globe, Siberia, middle east, south America and the techniques used seem to be similar in each widely dispersed group. Who were these enigmatic people. What happened to them?

Is that not intriguing? Does it not merit any discussion? It's absolutely incredible and could stretch the origin of civilisation back tens of thousands of years before where we think it began and hints that ancient people were incredibly ingenious or used techniques not yet rediscovered.

I don't believe in ancient aliens, sonic levitation or any of that bunk. But I am interested in some of these sites in terms of engineering challenge and the origins of mankind and civilisation.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

To suggest that archaeologists are dismissing these structures because they "don't fit into the timeline" is ludicrous. True archaeologists are very happy to admit anomalies in theories and will be scrabbling to be the first team to figure out what occurred. To think otherwise shows someone up to know next to nothing about how true archaeology works.

Is it? Look at the Goronya site in Siberia. There is proper serious archaeology going on there. The site is monumental and totally anomalous in terms of known people's from that region who have no tradition of building with megaliths.

The debate, thus far, is stifled because the archaeologists cannot account for its existence. It doesn't fit. There is little debate in academia because it doesn't conform. Read about it. You'll see what I mean.

 

[Hillian1]

Is it? Look at the Goronya site in Siberia. There is proper serious archaeology going on there. The site is monumental and totally anomalous in terms of known people's from that region who have no tradition of building with megaliths.

The debate, thus far, is stifled because the archaeologists cannot account for its existence. It doesn't fit. There is little debate in academia because it doesn't conform. Read about it. You'll see what I mean.

I've tried googling this and come up with Nothing.

Do you have a link per chance, pretty please?

 

[Mellotron]

What? Anything can be moved given enough manpower and good engineering.

You've clearly didn't see Hulk playing against Croatia...

 

[WATFORD zero]

I put Goronya Siberia into Google and the first link was to NSC. And we all know what a load of old crap gets posted on there

 

[Leighgull]

I've tried googling this and come up with Nothing.

Do you have a link per chance, pretty please?

I found this

http://www.academia.edu/6200990/Super_Megaliths_in_Gornaya_Shoria_Southern_Siberia

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

I found this

http://www.academia.edu/6200990/Super_Megaliths_in_Gornaya_Shoria_Southern_Siberia

That's them. The ancient aliens crowd are already circling. I think the first expedition up there, post soviet era, was in 2013.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.435853863203273.1073741952.208845839237411&type=3

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

That's them. The ancient aliens crowd are already circling. I think the first expedition up there, post soviet era, was in 2013.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.435853863203273.1073741952.208845839237411&type=3

Some Geologists are saying that it could be natural formations in the granite (from photographic evidence only, so far) so they need to confirm this, if true. If it is man made it is stupefying.

 

[pastafarian]

Some Geologists are saying that it could be natural formations in the granite (from photographic evidence only, so far) so they need to confirm this, if true. If it is man made it is stupefying.

From wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gornaya_Shoria_megaliths

The Gornaya Shoria megaliths are a stone formation at Gornaya Shoria (Russian: Горная Шория) in southern Siberia, Russia, lying to the east of the Altay Mountains. They have been claimed to be gigantic prehistoric stones, or megaliths, but no reliable confirmation of this has been made to date. However, granite can exhibit cubic fractures. There are similar formations around the world, as in Girraween National Park in Australia and in the Rudolfstein in the Fichtel Mountains of Germany.
The largest pieces or blocks of stone have estimated weights between three and four thousand tons, and if they are megaliths they are the largest cut stones in the world dating from prehistory. First reported and photographed in 2013, they have been compared with the smaller megaliths at Baalbek, now in the Lebanon.[1][2]
The terrain around the megaliths is mountainous and rich in metallic ores, especially iron ore. Galena, an important source of iron ore, exhibits perfect cubic cleavage.


It seems the geezer that found them Georgy Sidorov travels the world looking for sites that will confirm his belief in ancient civilizations and such what,think he might be a bit tin foil like.

 

[dingodan]

From wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gornaya_Shoria_megaliths

The Gornaya Shoria megaliths are a stone formation at Gornaya Shoria (Russian: Горная Шория) in southern Siberia, Russia, lying to the east of the Altay Mountains. They have been claimed to be gigantic prehistoric stones, or megaliths, but no reliable confirmation of this has been made to date. However, granite can exhibit cubic fractures. There are similar formations around the world, as in Girraween National Park in Australia and in the Rudolfstein in the Fichtel Mountains of Germany.
The largest pieces or blocks of stone have estimated weights between three and four thousand tons, and if they are megaliths they are the largest cut stones in the world dating from prehistory. First reported and photographed in 2013, they have been compared with the smaller megaliths at Baalbek, now in the Lebanon.[1][2]
The terrain around the megaliths is mountainous and rich in metallic ores, especially iron ore. Galena, an important source of iron ore, exhibits perfect cubic cleavage.


It seems the geezer that found them Georgy Sidorov travels the world looking for sites that will confirm his belief in ancient civilizations and such what,think he might be a bit tin foil like.

Speaking of Siberia, I have always found this really fascinating:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incident

 

[Silk]

Some Geologists are saying that it could be natural formations in the granite (from photographic evidence only, so far) so they need to confirm this, if true. If it is man made it is stupefying.

My googling of it revealed that almost every reference to it was on a conspiracy whacko site. Just saying, like.

 

[Leighgull]

My googling of it revealed that almost every reference to it was on a conspiracy whacko site. Just saying, like.

Yeah. That is an issue. The site is pretty impressive though. Irrespective of wackos.