Muslims against Crusades

[BadFish]

Evidence for 170 arrests? That's like a total from a major football riot on the 80's! I bet the same coverage will not be given in the press as the story warrants.

I don't know the details of the particular incident you are talking about so I don't know. But my guess is most if not all will be released without charge.

Sent from my wardrobe whilst watching Susannah Reid and Sian Williams enjoy a clam sandwich.

I don't know the details of the particular incident you are talking about so I don't know. But my guess is most if not all will be released without charge.

 

[dingodan]

yes, you did.

And I am OWNED for the 2nd time today.

I just cannot keep up with the intellect you guys throw at me.

I am not worthy.

 

[BadFish]

All is not lost. You can still rescue it with letting us know your own thoughts rather than David Icke's.

@ you not with you.

David Icke is not a newspaper so it is okay to use him in your argument but still not okay for me to use the daily mail in mine?

 

[beorhthelm]

I just cannot keep up with the intellect you guys throw at me.

im sure you'll find a youtube clip to try to.

 

[dingodan]

im sure you'll find a youtube clip to try to.

Not Youtube!

Low blow brother.

Anyone would think you had nothing intelligent to say.

And they would be right.

 

[BadFish]

im sure you'll find a youtube clip to try to.

Yes Dingo stop backing up your points with references and evidence. What sort of way to conduct an argument is that?

 

[dingodan]

Yes Dingo stop backing up your points with references and evidence. What sort of way to conduct an argument is that?

Thats better.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I don't know the details of the particular incident you are talking about so I don't know. But my guess is most if not all will be released without charge.

If that does happen, probably, then those people should not have been arrested?

But it seems we are afraid to arrest those whose houses were raided?

Maybe your earlier charge of institutional racism was directed at the wrong group of people.

Sent from my wardrobe whilst watching Susannah Reid and Sian Williams enjoy a clam sandwich.

 

[BadFish]

Thats better.

 

[beorhthelm]

Yes Dingo stop backing up your points with references and evidence. What sort of way to conduct an argument is that?

youtube is not evidence by default, and often a poor reference. the point is that he never offers his opinion, just cuts to someone elses youtube or a quote he's found on the web (without original source and context). often unverified or unrelated but skewing a discussion to fit a different narrative. did you watch the entire hour long youtube posted earlier? does it make a relevent point? i dont know, because he doesnt offer any indication of what it contains and frankly im not going to waste an hour when i could be arguing here instead

 

[dingodan]

youtube is not evidence by default, and often a poor reference. the point is that he never offers his opinion, just cuts to someone elses youtube. often unverified or unrelated but skewing a discussion to fit a different narrative.

Wtf are you on about.

But it doesnt matter because David Icke, conspiracy theory, right wing, left wing, so your argument is clearly invalid.

Sorry.

EDIT:

In fact I can PROVE you are wrong.

Check it out:

 

[BadFish]

youtube is not evidence by default, and often a poor reference. the point is that he never offers his opinion, just cuts to someone elses youtube. often unverified or unrelated but skewing a discussion to fit a different narrative.

I disagree I find that mostly if you watch or read what he posts and think a little it is related to the post. I will also add that i don't agree with everything he posts but I can usually see its relevance to the thread.

It is tremendously arrogant to think that ones own opinion is enough to sway a debate. We have scientists and experts trained in specific fields to carry out studies to help us form opinion. It just so happens that so many don't use them.

 

[Joey Deacon's Disco Suit]

My view for what it's worth is that the Government made the right decision to ban the MAC. I don't buy this opinion that banning the MAC gives them more publicity and makes martyrs of them. Their actions are incredibly offensive and solely designed to provoke a reaction - one that can't just be swept aside either. I'm not sure I could control myself if, during the 2 minute silence, I saw someone burning a poppy wreath. Looking at their press releases and speeches by Choudhury and also seeing his backers its clear that if it doesn't have terrorist links yet, it's only a matter of time before it would have.

The police also made the right decision to detain the EDL today at the Cenotaph, in my opinion. It's regrettable that personal freedoms were violated but for the greater good it was necessary. My view on proscribing EDL is at the moment undecided. EDL are deliberately provoking young muslim into confrontation and I think, if they carry on with inventing situations that they believe need repelling then the Government will ban them. They are clearly made up of right-wing extremists but I don't think they are a cover organisation for BNP/NF/Combat 18. I think it's a separate and very clever way of tapping into that disaffection that the white (and to a much lesser degree black) underclass feel.

It's a bloody mess and no mistake.

 

[beorhthelm]

It is tremendously arrogant to think that ones own opinion is enough to sway a debate.

im not saying that either, just that this is what we doing here, debating amongst ourselves. refer to someone by all means, but in context and the original source. to illustrate the point perfectly, wtf has 10 Ron Pauls nomination debate on CNBC (inherently economic in content) got to do with this issue? great if the debate is about the merit or not of the US federal reserve bank, but do i have to watch 10 minutes to find a sentance if any that is relevent? why not just make the point yourself and cite your champion.

 

[Joey Deacon's Disco Suit]

You penis.

You said: There's absolutely no need to mention the Daily Mail here but if you can't seem to debate without resorting to these 'jokes' then perhaps you're not so smart as you think you are.

I say: There's absolutely no need to mention the David Icke here but if you can't seem to debate without resorting to these 'jokes' then perhaps you're not so smart as you think you are.

You are a hypocrite of the highest order congratulations.

The two quotations are from Adam Curtis, who made the BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares".

You are a penis.

Do you deny that conpiracy theory Youtube videos are your modus operandi on NSC? I seem to recall that you've been warned in the past about this. And yes, I stand by my comments about it being a conspiracy theorists wet dream (your link that is). I'm not alone in that view either. Much cleverer people than me have also called it such. viz. David Aaronovitch

I mention David Icke's website as I find it morbidly curious and I've seen more or less every conspiracy theory Youtube video you've ever posted appear on there at one time or other.

 

[BadFish]

im not saying that either, just that this is what we doing here, debating amongst ourselves. refer to someone by all means, but in context and the original source. to illustrate the point perfectly, wtf has 10 Ron Pauls presidential debate on CNBC (inherently economic in content) got to do with this issue? do i have to watch 10 minutes to find a sentance if any that is relevent? why not just make the point yourself and cite your champion.

The problem with youtube clips is that most often I cannot watch them because my house is so noisy so I have to agree with you that a summary or link to written document would be useful. Having said that, generally youtube is good because it is easily accessible and people don't really like to read.

 

[dingodan]

[MENTION=16372]Joey Deacon's Disco Suit[/MENTION]

Their actions are incredibly offensive and solely designed to provoke a reaction. In a free society, being offensive is not a crime.

its clear that if it doesn't have terrorist links yet, it's only a matter of time before it would have. You are talking about acting based on what you think someone will do rather than what they have done. Pre-crime.

It's regrettable that personal freedoms were violated but for the greater good it was necessary. "The greater good", historically, is probably the most dangerous mindset there has ever been.

 

[Joey Deacon's Disco Suit]

@ you not with you.

David Icke is not a newspaper so it is okay to use him in your argument but still not okay for me to use the daily mail in mine?

See my response to this. Not intended as a joke at all. Dingo Dan seems to get all his best Youtube clips from that site or from fellow traveller's conspiracy forums.

 

[BadFish]

See my response to this. Not intended as a joke at all. Dingo Dan seems to get all his best Youtube clips from that site or from fellow traveller's conspiracy forums.

...and in my opinion the poster earlier was behaving in a similar way to the Daily Mail. You have done the same thing, swapping the Daily Mail for David Icke and using it to further your argument.

 

[DerbyGull]

Because thet is oftern what happens when you move to a new country. People band together because they have common outlooks, traditions, culture and language. I know lots of British ex pats who live together in communities in Australia (I don't really understand it myself) you yourself gave the example of brits on the the Coasta doing the same. Migrants for centuries have lived together in new countries. With so much movement these days it can mean that these communities can become insular and sometimes paranoid, especially when they feel they are treated unfairly. For multiculturalism to work fully I think we need to find a way to more successfully integrate migrant into the country.

I don't think it follows that they form their own communities because of the racism in their new countries

Using the term racist incorrectly probably isn't a wise thing to do !

The reason different races lift apart ( and for some reason you seem to think it's along the lines of colour ) is that pepole feel safe and at home when surrounded by their own race and traditions. Hence why there are Jamacian communities, Indian communities, Polish communities etc etc. It's not racism - it's human nature. Brits do it in Spain, France and Australia.

You've both answered yourselves pretty well. People move into their comfort zones, what they know. But that doesn't really help the multicultural issue, because different communities live apart racism/prejudice arises because these communities aren't mixing.