Muslim loses appeal over jilbab

[WATFORD O]

I say f***ing good job an all.



School wins Muslim dress appeal

Shabina Begum had wanted to wear a full-length jilbab gown
A school which was told it unlawfully excluded a Muslim pupil for wearing a traditional gown has won its appeal at the House of Lords.
The Court of Appeal had said Denbigh High School had denied Shabina Begum the right to manifest her religion in refusing to allow her to wear a jilbab.

But in a unanimous ruling, judges at the House of Lords overturned that.

They said the school had "taken immense pains to devise a uniform policy which respected Muslim beliefs".

It had done so "in an inclusive, unthreatening and uncompetitive way".

 

[WATFORD O]

Why are they always trying to overturn rules that everyone else finds ok? Attention seekers - ''look at me I am Muslim you must respect me and change your rules just for me and if you dont I will become a suicide bomber, KILL EVERYONE and shag loads of virgins in the sky'' f*** OFF AND LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

 

[Curious Orange]

This is probably a good thing. My understanding is that the school in question allowed the wearing of headscarfs, and the rest of the uniform allowed the body to be covered in what the Koran describes as a modest way - there is nothing in the Koran (as I understand it) to say that the Jilbab must be worn.

Just think, if the decision had gone the other way loads of kids would have insisted on their right to attend school dressed as Obi-Wan.

 

[WATFORD O]

This is probably a good thing. My understanding is that the school in question allowed the wearing of headscarfs, and the rest of the uniform allowed the body to be covered in what the Koran describes as a modest way - there is nothing in the Koran (as I understand it) to say that the Jilbab must be worn.

Just think, if the decision had gone the other way loads of kids would have insisted on their right to attend school dressed as Obi-Wan.

Quite right. The school tried but she just wanted t make a point. Youve made it now f*** off.

 

[Franks Wild Years]

Big man, telling a 16 year old girl to f*** off on an annonymous chat site.

Good for her for standing up for what she believes in. She wasn't violent, she didnt threaten any one.
Pity there aren't more teenager with equal amounts of intelligence and integrity.

 

[WATFORD O]

Big man, telling a 16 year old girl to f*** off on an annonymous chat site.

Good for her for standing up for what she believes in. She wasn't violent, she didnt threaten any one.
Pity there aren't more teenager with equal amounts of intelligence and integrity.

Hang on, why do you equate this thread as an attempt by me to look 'big'? So would you preferif I said it to her face? Would that make me bigger? I dont understand your logic.

She did threaten. She took her school to court. The (that means you and me) would have had to pick up the tab had she won. Had she won she would have had the right to claim 'discrimination'. She has been shown up to be an attention seeker (I know I am one too).

 

[bhaexpress]

Sorry but I'm with Watford here. At the end of the day ifyou want to live in this country whoever you are you should abide by our laws and rules. It does seem that the school inquestion has made a lot of effort to accomodate the pupil concerned and if that's not enough then the parents should look for alternatives. Why should we bend over backwards in these circumstances ?

 

[WATFORD O]

Sorry but I'm with Watford here. At the end of the day ifyou want to live in this country whoever you are you should abide by our laws and rules. It does seem that the school inquestion has made a lot of effort to accomodate the pupil concerned and if that's not enough then the parents should look for alternatives. Why should we bend over backwards in these circumstances ?

Quite right. Its an alien religion to us here. They have to show respect for OUR culture. Try going to Saudi and wearing a cross...............

 

[SheffGull]

Agree fully with Watford and Bhaexpress

 

[enigma]

I think this is a good thing, I would try and ban all forms of religious dress/symbols where possible, as I feel it creates barriers. I am not sure what they could do about Sikhs though, having thought about it.

Typical Twatford though.

 

[WATFORD O]

Typical Twatford though.

Why is it ''typical twatford though''. Explain.....

 

[enigma]

Why are they always trying to overturn rules that everyone else finds ok? Attention seekers - ''look at me I am Muslim you must respect me and change your rules just for me and if you dont I will become a suicide bomber, KILL EVERYONE and shag loads of virgins in the sky'' f*** OFF AND LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

 

[Curious Orange]

I think this deabate is getting a little polarised. Here's the BBC article to give you all a little more background:

School wins Muslim dress appeal

A school which was told it unlawfully excluded a Muslim pupil for wearing a traditional gown has won its appeal at the House of Lords.

The Court of Appeal had said Denbigh High School had denied Shabina Begum the right to manifest her religion in refusing to allow her to wear a jilbab.

But in a unanimous ruling, judges at the House of Lords overturned that.

They said the school had "taken immense pains to devise a uniform policy which respected Muslim beliefs".

It had done so "in an inclusive, unthreatening and uncompetitive way".

'Unwillingness to comply'

They said: "The rules laid down were as far from being mindless as uniform rules could ever be."

They added: "It appeared the rules were acceptable to mainstream Muslim opinion."

Shabina Begum had chosen a school which "went to unusual lengths to inform parents of its uniform policy."

They ruled there was no interference with her right to manifest her religion as she had chosen a school where such a policy existed.

There were three other schools in the area which permitted the jilbab, they noted, although one was oversubscribed.

Miss Begum eventually attended another local school where she wore the jilbab.

Lord Bingham ruled that the two-year interruption of Begum's schooling was the result of her "unwillingness to comply with a rule to which the school was entitled to adhere".

'Make a stand'

After the ruling, Miss Begum said: "Obviously I am saddened and disappointed about this, but I am quite glad it is all over and I can move on now.

"I had to make a stand about this. Many women will not speak up about what they actually want.

"I still don't see why I was told to go home from school when I was just practising my religion.

"I'm just a teenager - not many teenagers go out there and challenge the system."

She said the shalwar kameeze, which Denbigh High School allows Muslim pupils to wear, "did not satisfy Islamic clothing".

"I feel it is an obligation upon Muslim women to wear this [the jilbab], although there are many other opinions."

She would consult her lawyers about a potential appeal to the European Courts, she said.

In March last year, Denbigh High School said it had "lost on a technicality" when the Court of Appeal said it had failed to consider the Human Rights Act implications of its school uniform policy.

Lord Justice Brooke had called for more guidance for schools on complying with the Human Rights Act.

Overblown case of a stroppy teenager arguing about school-uniform if you ask me.

 

[Franks Wild Years]

I didn't say that I thought the outcome was wrong. I think it's probably right. But I've heard her being interviewed and I think her reasons for doing this where genuine if a little missguided, and she comes across with intelligence and integrity.

If she had won and the school were proved to be in the wrong well they would heve had to cover the costs but thats the way it is. Following W0's argument no public office or istitution would be taken to court just in case they lost and it cost the tax payer money.

And if you are trying to make a serious point then maybe putting f*** off on the end of your post ain't the best wat to do that.

 

[WATFORD O]

Thats my explanation. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[WATFORD O]

And if you are trying to make a serious point then maybe putting f*** off on the end of your post ain't the best wat to do that.

Granted. I was just a bit upset and it alwyas seems to be f***ing Muslims.

 

[METALMICKY]

Big man, telling a 16 year old girl to f*** off on an annonymous chat site.

Good for her for standing up for what she believes in. She wasn't violent, she didnt threaten any one.
Pity there aren't more teenager with equal amounts of intelligence and integrity.

I'm sorry but Watford O does have a point and you are overlooking the background to this case. It was widely reported that her family, particularly her strict brothers, exerted heavy pressure on her to take this case to court intially. Here was a case where the school bent over backwards to try and accomodate the religious issues and yet it still was not good enough.

 

[bhaexpress]

I think this is a good thing, I would try and ban all forms of religious dress/symbols where possible, as I feel it creates barriers. I am not sure what they could do about Sikhs though, having thought about it.{/B]

Agreed. A line needed to be drawn and now it has. What is a bit surprising is that we still have religion as an issue in our schools whereas in the US, which is a lot more religious than we tend to be, has banned the teaching of ALL relgion from state schools. However, I'm not sure if the Theory of Relativity is still banned in some states, it used to be.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Watford O is right on this one.

 

[Rougvie]

Why do people like this always feel they are being oppressed in some way ?

No wonder people want them to just shut the f*** up and get on with their lives.