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Murray, Cook, Elphick..







Feb 14, 2010
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Players are offered more money, & want regular football, so how do you make them stay?

I notice nobody is pining for El-Abd. You can't win them all. 3 players have found success elsewhere & there was no guarantee that they would have had the same success with us.
It happens at all clubs.

Cant win them all ! Certainly not down the Abion. Scrape out of the relegation zone with a top 10 budget. Let two local lads go and who prove them wrong, buy a bloke for £3 Million who ran around whilst Murray gets 30 odd goals to get palace promoted and is a class above even his hailed replacement (after CMS also failed) of Ulloa. Its not just last summer where questions need asking of our "footballing people" down the Albion. Great chairman but does any coach know anything about football at the club? Were these three mistakes Poyets?
 


Thunder Bolt

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Cant win them all ! Certainly not down the Abion. Scrape out of the relegation zone with a top 10 budget. Let two local lads go and who prove them wrong, buy a bloke for £3 Million who ran around whilst Murray gets 30 odd goals to get palace promoted and is a class above even his hailed replacement (after CMS also failed) of Ulloa. Its not just last summer where questions need asking of our "footballing people" down the Albion. Great chairman but does any coach know anything about football at the club? Were these three mistakes Poyets?

Which coach? There have been as many coaches as managers. Oscar did a retained list last year naming Orlandi, but the club released him. Who's decision was that?
 


Bombadier Botty

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Jun 2, 2008
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Cant win them all ! Certainly not down the Abion. Scrape out of the relegation zone with a top 10 budget. Let two local lads go and who prove them wrong, buy a bloke for £3 Million who ran around whilst Murray gets 30 odd goals to get palace promoted and is a class above even his hailed replacement (after CMS also failed) of Ulloa. Its not just last summer where questions need asking of our "footballing people" down the Albion. Great chairman but does any coach know anything about football at the club? Were these three mistakes Poyets?

Murray's been poor in the last two games. Upton can't get into the Leicester side, Cook and Elphick might struggle to feature for Bournemouth in the top flight etc. etc.
 


timbha

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Jul 5, 2003
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look, we'll never know the circumstances why Cook left so suddenly but we can guess.

Elphick was going to be loaned to Bournemouth to get match fit following his long injury and wasn't even 3rd choice centre half at the time. Bournemouth took a gamble, offered him a big signing on fee and a good contract so he signed. Good luck to him.

Poyet thought CMS was a better bet that Murray, who didn't want to stay. Managers are paid to make decisions and they don't always come off.

We're all great managers with the benefit of hindsight. We didn't do too badly without Cook, Elphick and Murray up until this season.
 




Gazwag

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Mar 4, 2004
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They get paid to get things right. Ulloa is not as good as Murray (let go to spend £3 Million on CMS) and Cook / Elphick have proved our coaching staff wrong.

So in other words BHAFC recruitment is crap because its not perfect, how can you ignore the good players who have come through and only concentrate on the questionable decisions. As I posted earlier Cook may well still had been with us if he didn't go to the hotel that night and end up in court. Liverpool let Suarez go and blew any chance of a champions league place :shrug:
 




Finchley Seagull

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Feb 25, 2004
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What a pointless, boring thread. Nothing new that's not been moaned about a million times before. Murray was a mistake. Nobody denies that but seriously can we stop going on about it.

As for Cook and Elphick. Cook wasn't ready for the first team, he wanted to go and was out of contract at the end of the season. He would have gone at the end of the season and we'd have relied on a tribunal. In Elphick's case, I doubt any Albion fans would have been annoyed when he left. He'd been a great servant to the club but didn't look like he'd be good enough for a top Championship side. We had the best defensive record in the Championship two years ago and the second best a year ago. We didn't need him at that time and Bournemouth didn't go up because of their defensive record.
 




Feb 14, 2010
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look, we'll never know the circumstances why Cook left so suddenly but we can guess.

Elphick was going to be loaned to Bournemouth to get match fit following his long injury and wasn't even 3rd choice centre half at the time. Bournemouth took a gamble, offered him a big signing on fee and a good contract so he signed. Good luck to him.

Poyet thought CMS was a better bet that Murray, who didn't want to stay. Managers are paid to make decisions and they don't always come off.

We're all great managers with the benefit of hindsight. We didn't do too badly without Cook, Elphick and Murray up until this season.

I cant comment on Cook or Elphick, except to say they were young and so what is our famed development squad producing? As for Murray, that is not hindsight, many of us said it when it left and then when we saw CMS play a couple of times then we just shook our head.
 




Bombadier Botty

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Jun 2, 2008
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Liverpool let Suarez go and blew any chance of a champions league place :shrug:

Hardly a valid comparison. Liverpool were never going to hold onto Suarez in the face of his and Barca's desire to be united. The same couldn't be said about the Cook/Elphick AFC scenario or Murray/Palace.
 






8ace

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Jul 21, 2003
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drew

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Oct 3, 2006
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Sorry, a couple of years out, and since then we have assembled a development squad for money whilst two local players get a club promoted to the Premier League. Lets hope these development squad players are as successful with us as these three (including Murray) who left have been for someone else

You seem to forget that in those intervening years we have been in the play-offs twice. This hasn't been the greatest of seasons but I believe next year will be our 5th consecutive year in the second tier, something we haven't achieved previously! Can only hope it will surpass the last 4?
 


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If he had kept fringe players like them we might not have signed Ulloa Buckley Bridcutt?
 








Feb 14, 2010
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You seem to forget that in those intervening years we have been in the play-offs twice. This hasn't been the greatest of seasons but I believe next year will be our 5th consecutive year in the second tier, something we haven't achieved previously! Can only hope it will surpass the last 4?

5th consecutive year.. I love this stat. That would be because we were in the top flight but you are right, the Albion have been serial under achievers. Play offs dont win prizes. Letting Murray go and spending £3 Million on CMS certainly doesnt either and lets see if our development squad produce as much as Cook /Elphick have
 




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