Murray article in Argus today

[Bold Seagull]

Poyet himself explained that there were two separate pots of money. One for transfers and one for wages. I didn't read anywhere that the board had contradicted him or said that this wasn't correct.

Yes I remember that and thinking what absolute bollocks at the time.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

"We have made the best offer we can to Glenn so now it is in his hands," he told the club's official website.

"I can see the negotiations will go right down to the wire. We were in a situation where we had the fifth biggest budget in League One; we are going to another level so will increase the budget.

"But we are going to be in the middle [or even worse] in terms of budget, depending on which teams are relegated from the Premier League.

"Our level of payments will be less than the top 10 or 12 teams in the Championship so a player like Glenn, who has scored 22 goals, will get some better offers. I cannot control that."

Deadlocked

Murray and the club have been deadlocked in talks over the last few months as Poyet tries to retain the services of a marksman that he feels will score at a higher level.

Yet, he has warned the sought-after striker that he will not go outside the club's budget to offer him a better package than has already been put on the table.

"It's not like I can go and offer him what every other team is offering and that is something we have explained," he added.

"We have tried to sort something out but we have a limit and we have to work within the resources of that limit."




How odd. We offered him a deal yet, apparently "POYET LET HIM GO".

I've very rarely had a job where I'm offered a PAY RISE and taken it as a CLEAR indication that the manager HATES ME.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes I remember that and thinking what absolute bollocks at the time.

Tony Bloom was quick enough to talk about Oscar not being communicative etc, so why didn't he say something about that?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Tony Bloom was quick enough to talk about Oscar not being communicative etc, so why didn't he say something about that?

Damage limitation. Popular striker fired us to the Championship. How many clubs gaining promotion ditch their best players - not many.

So a bit of spin about salary budgets and transfer funds smoke screens the fact we've just sold the striker that fired us to a title.

Most clubs on gaining promotion would have rewarded him with a bumper package. We thought we could do better bringing someone else in and got it horribly wrong.

I bet CMS was on a much bigger salary than Murray was ever offered and he cost us £2.5m. We could have given Murray a loyalty bonus, a bumper contract and still saved a wedge on the CMS deal.

 

[Mellotron]

Hopefully the club will learn from the fact that twice they have now completely ****ed it up, in the cases of Messrs. Barnes and Murray.

 

[Icy Gull]

"We have made the best offer we can to Glenn so now it is in his hands," he told the club's official website.

"I can see the negotiations will go right down to the wire. We were in a situation where we had the fifth biggest budget in League One; we are going to another level so will increase the budget.

"But we are going to be in the middle [or even worse] in terms of budget, depending on which teams are relegated from the Premier League.

"Our level of payments will be less than the top 10 or 12 teams in the Championship so a player like Glenn, who has scored 22 goals, will get some better offers. I cannot control that."

Deadlocked

Murray and the club have been deadlocked in talks over the last few months as Poyet tries to retain the services of a marksman that he feels will score at a higher level.

Yet, he has warned the sought-after striker that he will not go outside the club's budget to offer him a better package than has already been put on the table.

"It's not like I can go and offer him what every other team is offering and that is something we have explained," he added.

"We have tried to sort something out but we have a limit and we have to work within the resources of that limit."




How odd. We offered him a deal yet, apparently "POYET LET HIM GO".

I've very rarely had a job where I'm offered a PAY RISE and taken it as a CLEAR indication that the manager HATES ME.

Fair enough, that is an interesting read. What we don't know is how involved Poyet may have been in calculating Murray's worth in wages. He ended up going to then "lowly Palace" who you would think had a much smaller budget than us. I am also struggling to think that CMS did not get paid at least as much as Murray was asking for.

I guess we'll never know for sure but my gut feeling is Poyet didn't try too hard.

 

[Withdean11]

"We have made the best offer we can to Glenn so now it is in his hands," he told the club's official website.

"I can see the negotiations will go right down to the wire. We were in a situation where we had the fifth biggest budget in League One; we are going to another level so will increase the budget.

"But we are going to be in the middle [or even worse] in terms of budget, depending on which teams are relegated from the Premier League.

"Our level of payments will be less than the top 10 or 12 teams in the Championship so a player like Glenn, who has scored 22 goals, will get some better offers. I cannot control that."

Deadlocked

Murray and the club have been deadlocked in talks over the last few months as Poyet tries to retain the services of a marksman that he feels will score at a higher level.

Yet, he has warned the sought-after striker that he will not go outside the club's budget to offer him a better package than has already been put on the table.

"It's not like I can go and offer him what every other team is offering and that is something we have explained," he added.

"We have tried to sort something out but we have a limit and we have to work within the resources of that limit."




How odd. We offered him a deal yet, apparently "POYET LET HIM GO".

I've very rarely had a job where I'm offered a PAY RISE and taken it as a CLEAR indication that the manager HATES ME.

Puts that one to bed then. Gus wanted him.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Trust me, Gus wanted him to stay. Beyond that the manager hands the reigns over to the money men. It's up to them to agree a contract with the player's representative, not the manager.

No I wont.

Bloom asked Poyet is he worth the extra money he is demanding, if he is then we will pay it.

Poyet said no.

Nothing you an say unless you are Gus Poyet himself will convince me otherwise. Sorry.

 

[Withdean11]

Fair enough, that is an interesting read. What we don't know is how involved Poyet may have been in calculating Murray's worth in wages. He ended up going to then "lowly Palace" who you would think had a much smaller budget than us. I am also struggling to think that CMS did not get paid at least as much as Murray was asking for.

I guess we'll never know for sure but my gut feeling is Poyet didn't try too hard.

Wasn't it reported that Palace offered Murray 20K a week a we paid CMS 12K? Could be wrong.

 

[Mattywerewolf]

Derby in for him too according to Transfer News Live on twitter. Do they really need him?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Damage limitation. Popular striker fired us to the Championship. How many clubs gaining promotion ditch their best players - not many.

So a bit of spin about salary budgets and transfer funds smoke screens the fact we've just sold the striker that fired us to a title.

Most clubs on gaining promotion would have rewarded him with a bumper package. We thought we could do better bringing someone else in and got it horribly wrong.

I bet CMS was on a much bigger salary than Murray was ever offered and he cost us £2.5m. We could have given Murray a loyalty bonus, a bumper contract and still saved a wedge on the CMS deal.

We had a wage cap. Poyet says as much in the article quoted by Mejona....
Palace have never had a lowly budget which is why they've gone into administration twice.

I was told that the club offered double his League 1 wages, but Palace offered a lot more. Don't forget that a lot of players had promotion clauses written into their contracts and so were automatically kept on. That didn't emerge for quite a few months when it was realised that Dicker etc were still here for another two years.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Poyet himself explained that there were two separate pots of money. One for transfers and one for wages. He got it changed because it hampered recruitment. I didn't read anywhere that the board had contradicted him or said that this wasn't correct.

I can see why it makes sense to have 2 money pots.

Say Tony has 10 million and puts 5 million into each pot.

He knows he will get nothing back from the 5 million in the wages pot.

The player fee pot is money which, with good management, can be recouped when the players are sold on for fees. This can then be fed back into the club if necessary, or if Tony wants to.


It's actually how I'd manage the finance as well.


One pot is a gift from Tony, the other is more of an investment.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

No I wont.

Bloom asked Poyet is he worth the extra money he is demanding, if he is then we will pay it.

Poyet said no.

Nothing you an say unless you are Gus Poyet himself will convince me otherwise. Sorry.

That's fair enough. I can only put forward the info I know is true. Just frustrates me to see a complete fabrication of a very simple story constantly touted on here.

 

[fat old seagull]

L

They are accurate. Which begs the question, given the number of players we have sold, what are we if the best clubs don't release their best players, and neither do struggling ones?

I think you're talking about that statement in relation to who we might bring in, I was referring it back to the numbers of players we have sold and what does that say about us? Burnley could just come in last season and pick up one of our best players for £800k in the middle of going for the play offs!

It's true, I doubt anyone can deny we have had some disasterous transfer dealings this past 18 months. But sadly we can huff and puff until the cows come home...we won't change one second of history. I'm just praying that with the back room rearrangements and the hope that the manager brings in HIS own players we can move forward. It's at least looking brighter now than it has for a while.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No I wont.

Bloom asked Poyet is he worth the extra money he is demanding, if he is then we will pay it.

Poyet said no.

Nothing you an say unless you are Gus Poyet himself will convince me otherwise. Sorry.

Were you in the room with Bloom & Poyet at the time?

 

[el punal]

I still find it quite incredible that we let Murray go because of a disagreement on wages. Probably the worst and most costly decision the club has made in the past 50 years.

If we had hung on to him there is a good chance we would have achieved promotion to the Premier League.

Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

Wow, easy tiger! I think a lot of decisions that the club have made over the last 50 years have been a lot worse than this. For example, the selling of the Goldstone, amongst many.

Yes, Glen Murray had a good season in 2010/11 but he wasn't exactly setting the world alight before that. We still don't know the real reason for letting him go. It could have been his high wage demands, it could have been that he was a disruptive influence with other players, it could have been that he and Poyet didn't get on. Who knows? These things happen in football.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Puts that one to bed then. Gus wanted him.

As evidenced by the hug they gave each other in October 2011, when Murray came off the field at the Amex, having scored for Palace.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Were you in the room with Bloom & Poyet at the time?

No Yorkie my love were you?

 

[chaileyjem]

This is actually what Gus said about it to the Argus in early 2013.
https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?273719-Gus-Why-I-lost-star-striker-The-Argus

Albion lost Glenn Murray to arch rivals Crystal Palace, because Gus Poyet could not use funds for transfer fees for wages.
The money was kept separate but boss Poyet has now persuaded the Seagulls to change their playing budget policy.
Murray left to join tomorrow’s Amex visitors Palace in May 2011 after firing Albion to the League One title.
The Seagulls bought top scorer Craig Mackail-Smith from Peterborough for about £3 million in July 2011 but he is out for the rest of the season with a ruptured Achilles, while Murray returns to his old club bang in form with 30 goals to his name.
Poyet revealed to The Argus: “At that time we couldn’t use the money that we paid for Macca to pay Glenn’s contract. It was not available. It was totally separate.
“We were able to sign Craig, because there was a structure at the club that the money we were using at that time for transfers was not involved in the salaries.
“In my world a pound in the transfer market is the same pound in the salary market. In this football club no, you can use this pound to buy a player but you cannot use it to pay a player.
“We have changed a little bit this year after hard work between me and the financial side of the club so a little bit of that went the other way.
“It’s better now, because for me it was important to manage those two sides of the budgets in a different way.
“We had a chance to sign players that were free but we needed to pay them a lot more than the players you needed to buy. I was not able to do it. It was a little bit frustrating.”


Also @notandynaylor often quotes on here the story that a swap between Murray and Will Hoskins was agreed by Palace/Albion until scuppered when Hoskins was injured again early in 2012/13. Of course Murray then started scoring at last for Palace, after a miserable first season in 2011/12 where he only scored 7 goals, and that was that.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No my love were you?

Then nobody knows for sure. It depends how biased your opinion is.