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Munich - Hollywood Playing with History?



Uncle Buck

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Jul 7, 2003
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Munich: Mossad breaks cover

Documentaries challenge Hollywood take on the mission to kill Palestinian terrorists

Ewen MacAskill and Ian Black
Thursday January 26, 2006
The Guardian


Steven Spielberg's new film Munich, about the vengeful aftermath of the murder of 11 Israeli athletes by Palestinian gunmen at the 1972 Olympic Games, goes on general release tomorrow amid a firestorm of controversy about its political sympathies and historical accuracy.
Munich deals with reprisal missions by the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad, whose agents assassinated at least 11 people alleged to have been involved in the atrocity, a grim episode in the conflict between two peoples that prefigured the US-led "war on terror".

The film, released in the US last month, has been savaged by some Israelis and Jews for suggesting a moral equivalence between the terrorist attack and the Israeli response to it. Arabs have complained that the Palestinians are caricatured and their motives, five years after their defeat in the 1967 Middle East war, left unexplored.

But the latest work by the creator of Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan has also been challenged on factual grounds. "Yair," a Mossad agent involved in the killings, has dismissed it as "a Hollywood movie seen through American spectacles that distorts what really happened in nearly every way".

And two TV documentaries broadcast in Britain this week - to coincide with the film's opening in this country - undermine some of its central claims. Operation Bayonet, on BBC2 on Tuesday, and Munich: Mossad's Revenge, on Channel 4 tonight, include detailed testimony from retired Mossad agents the broadcasters claim were directly involved in the killings. Their version of events is very different to Spielberg's.

Atlantic Productions, maker of the Channel 4 programme, said the real people involved in Operation Wrath of God, as the media dubbed the mission, agreed to speak for the first time "to set the record straight" because of the release of Spielberg's film. The issue of authenticity still matters because Israel's policy of covert state-sponsored assassination continues: Israel has had no hesitation in assassinating Palestinian leaders since the second intifada began in September 2000.

Spielberg's staff emphasise that Munich is a work of art not a documentary, but his film opens by saying it was "inspired by real events". It follows Avner Kauffman, the purported leader of the hit team killing Palestinians. Spielberg and scriptwriter Tony Kushner name a book, Vengeance, published by the Canadian writer George Jonas in 1984, in the film's credits. The book has long been a subject of controversy.

Mr Jonas told the Canadian Jewish News: "The interesting thing is that the film actually is quite faithful, perhaps slightly more faithful, to the letter of the book than I would have been had I made a film of it. What it is not faithful to is the fundamental spirit of the book."

The BBC and Channel 4 documentaries challenge the film's account. Atlantic Productions said: "Although inspired by the real events, the characters in the movie are fictitious and had nothing to do with real Mossad agents." It claims, though this is not in the documentary, that one Mossad agent interviewed was sent by Mossad to check the identity of Kauffman and "found the nearest he got to the secret service was a job as an El Al baggage handler".

It is highly unusual for Mossad personnel to break cover, and it is an indication of their strong objections to the film that so many have chosen to go on the record. The Atlantic Productions film contains interviews with David Kimche, the British-born former deputy head of Mossad; Efraim Halevy, former head of Mossad, also British-born; Ehud Barak, the former prime minister and in April 1973 a member of an elite special forces unit which raided Beirut to kill three PLO figures; and two anonymous agents the broadcasters claim were involved in the hits identified as officers K and G.

One of the central themes of Spielberg's Munich is the personal toll the mission takes on the team, wracked by guilt over what they were doing. But there is little sign of agonising by the agents interviewed for the TV documentaries. Officers K and G, though their faces are hidden in the shadows, come across as tougher and more hard-bitten than Spielberg's agents. Officer G, asked if he ever had doubts, says: "No hesitations. No. No. No. We believe you can say whatever you like in discussions, but when ordered, you must follow it."

Another agent, identified only as "Yonatan", told the Israeli daily Ma'ariv: "We identified completely with our mission after what the terrorists did to our athletes in Munich. I never asked myself, like Avner in the movie, if I was doing the right thing." And Mr Barak, who famously dressed as a woman for the Beirut raid, describes the operation with evident relish and nostalgia. Atlantic Productions lists various alleged discrepancies between Spielberg's film and what those involved claim is the reality:

· Spielberg's film suggests one group carried out almost all the assassinations, but in fact much larger teams of agents were involved;

· there is no evidence Mossad worked with the help of a mysterious French criminal "godfather" figure as portrayed in both Vengeance and the film;

· the assassination campaign did not fall apart because the agents lost their nerve, as the film suggests, but because an operation went disastrously wrong at Lillehammer in Norway, when the Israelis mis-identified their target - the Black September chief Ali Hassan Salameh - and killed an innocent Moroccan waiter instead. Spielberg does not even mention Lillehammer;

· those on the list of assassination targets were not all directly involved in Munich. This is confirmed by Mossad agents, and Spielberg acknowledges this, but only in the last five minutes.

Violence

The retired Mossad deputy head Kimche says the mission was not just about revenge but striking fear into the hearts of terrorists. Referring to an incident described in the book, he said:"We tried not to do things just by shooting a guy in the streets, that's easy - fairly. By putting a bomb in his phone, this was a message that they can be got anywhere, at any time and therefore they have to look out for themselves 24 hours a day."

"Yonatan" was asked by an Israeli interviewer if he accepted Spielberg's message that violence was not the right response. "Maybe," he answered. "But what could we have done after Munich? If we had given in, the Palestinians would have thought they were stronger and carried out even worse attacks."

Mimi Weinberg, whose husband Moni was a coach on the ill-fated Israeli team, says Spielberg is wrong: "This movie fails to discern between those who murder innocent civilians in their sleep and those who hunt down the murderers. That's what frustrates me about this movie. It drives me crazy." She adds: "With Jews like Spielberg. and Kushner, we don't need enemies."

Backstory

Black September, a Palestinian group, broke into the Olympic village in Munich in September 1972 dressed in tracksuits and armed with Kalashnikovs and took 11 Israeli athletes hostage. Twenty-four hours later, in a botched German police rescue, all hostages, five kidnappers and a German police officer were killed. Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, launched missions, dubbed Operation Wrath of God, to track down and kill those alleged to be responsible. The first hit was in Rome, the second in December when Mahmoud Hamshiri was killed, followed by assassinations in Cyprus, Paris, Beirut, Athens, Rome, Paris again, and Lillehammer, Norway. Lillehammer went badly wrong: a Moroccan waiter was mistaken for Ali Hassan Salameh, alleged planner of Munich. Salameh was killed by a car bomb in Beirut in 1979.
 




Uncle Spielberg

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Pipe down Piers we have had this discussion already and you have only done this thread to piss me off.

All joking aside Spielberg just cannot win. All the reviews I have so far read have given it top marks possible and so how balanced it is.

But fair play you have made your mind up it is shit and a fabrication already before even stepping into the multiplex that is your perogative.
 


Simster

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Jul 7, 2003
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Uncle Spielberg said:
All joking aside Spielberg just cannot win. All the reviews I have so far read have given it top marks possible and so how balanced it is.
The Times gave it 2 out of 5 this morning. The lowest of the 4 films reviewed.
 


Uncle Spielberg

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Ok it is shit. Happy now ???

Infact Spielberg is the worst director to come out of Hollywood of all time. He really is shit and has not made a decent film in his entire lifetime.
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
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Uncle Spielberg said:
Ok it is shit. Happy now ???

Infact Spielberg is the worst director to come out of Hollywood of all time. He really is shit and has not made a decent film in his entire lifetime.
Smashing flounce GARTH.

You seem to have gone off into a strop because The Times film critic thinks a Spielberg movie is shit. ???
 




Dandyman

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Uncle Spielberg said:
Ok it is shit. Happy now ???

Infact Spielberg is the worst director to come out of Hollywood of all time. He really is shit and has not made a decent film in his entire lifetime.


Glad to see that you are now condemning his snide attack on Montgomery in "Private Ryan" and the almost total exclusion of any British, French, Polish, Dutch or Canadian soldiers from the same film.
 


Uncle Buck

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Jul 7, 2003
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Dandyman said:
Glad to see that you are now condemning his snide attack on Montgomery in "Private Ryan" and the almost total exclusion of any British, French, Polish, Dutch or Canadian soldiers from the same film.

Not forgetting the fact that they did not trust the British method of transporting their heavy artillery to the beaches, so used their own and proceeded to sink a large proportion of it, whilst all of ours got to the beaches.
 


Uncle Spielberg

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Yes funny how you have managed to find the only critic in the entire country who you say thinks it is shit, most people say it is Spielberg's best film for years but I suppose that is not saying a lot because of all the crap films he has made over his career

Jaws - Shit
Raiders - Shit
Close Encounters - Shit
ET - Shit
The Color Purple - Shit
Empire of the Sun - Shit
The Last Crusade - Shit
Schindler's List - Shit
Minority Report - Shit
Munich - Shit
Jurassic Park - Shit
Saving Private Ryan - Shit
 




Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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f*** SAKE, not this again.
It is a FILM not a DOCUMENTARY.
Just a piece of entertainment. Don't go to see it to be educated. Go to see it to be entertained.
 
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Gwylan

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Easy 10 said:
f*** SAKE, not this again.
It is a FILM not a DOCUMENTARY.
Just a piece of entertainment. Don't go to see it to be educated. Go to see it to be entertained.


I'm being entertained by Gareth's MASSIVE strop.
 




y2dave

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Easy 10 said:
f*** SAKE, not this again.
It is a FILM not a DOCUMENTARY.
Just a piece of entertainment. Don't go to see it to be educated. Go to see it to be entertained.

Spot on, I've seen Munich and it's a great viewing - purely on entertainment factor alone.
 


Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,952
Surrey
Uncle Spielberg said:
Yes funny how you have managed to find the only critic in the entire country who you say thinks it is shit, most people say it is Spielberg's best film for years but I suppose that is not saying a lot because of all the crap films he has made over his career
Sorry but I've never been anti-Spielberg. I've read one review and that was in my newspaper of choice. Perhaps you should write and complain?

But as it happens, I do believe Spielberg has got progressively worse as a rule.

Jaws - Great but very dated now.
Raiders - Great
Close Encounters - Quite good
ET - Fairly ordinary.
The Color Purple - Dunno
Empire of the Sun - Dunno
The Last Crusade - Average
Schindler's List - A bit nausiating but certainly not bad
Minority Report - Really good.
Munich - Dunno
Jurassic Park - Shit. f***ing rubbish in fact.
Saving Private Ryan - Average, factually incorrect, blatently made for the American market. Good beach scene though.
 


Uncle Spielberg

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If Spielberg plays with historical facts as you say he is the least guilty of the Hollywood directors , have you seen Braveheart ???

Still I am sick to the back teeth of this Spielberg bashing, I suppose he is the Chelsea of his profession and some people will look for any tiny excuse to slate him.

Piers, if you see Munich you will go in there looking for reasons to slag the film off and justify your prejudgements I can guarantee it, so tell you what, don't bother going to see it.
 




Uncle Spielberg

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Yeah I spose the Holocaust was a bit nauseating wasn't it :rolleyes:
 




Uncle Spielberg

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Simster Spielberg made up the holocaust didn't he just to sell a few more tickets.
 






Uncle Buck

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Jul 7, 2003
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Uncle Spielberg said:
If Spielberg plays with historical facts as you say he is the least guilty of the Hollywood directors , have you seen Braveheart ???

Still I am sick to the back teeth of this Spielberg bashing, I suppose he is the Chelsea of his profession and some people will look for any tiny excuse to slate him.

Piers, if you see Munich you will go in there looking for reasons to slag the film off and justify your prejudgements I can guarantee it, so tell you what, don't bother going to see it.

It is simple Garth, if people are going to make films on true events (especially ones that are within living memory for people) I would like them to stick to the facts and not ammend them to suit their preconceived idea, ego or the fact it will make the ending better for them.
 


Uncle Spielberg

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How do you know you haven't seen the film yet.
 


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