[Football] Mounie red card..(Hudds lodge - and lose - appeal)

[pb21]

Very soft IMO.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I'm feeling tired and am wondering if I'm missing something here. Fouls are given for challenges that are careless, reckless or use excessive force. Straight reds are given for use of excessive force, but shouldn't be given for careless or reckless challenges.

Careless - no card.
Wreckless - player cautioned.
Excessive force - sent off.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Just viewed the incident. It’s careless, wreckless and that’s a far amount of force on Bissouma’s shin. Clearly a straight red.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

You win some, you lose some, referees aren’t perfect. Hughton can accept that but Wagner can’t. Wagner was incredibly childish at his interview. A proper boo boo didums performance.

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

Delighted with the ref’s harsh decision.

 

[Bodian]

The difference is that Balogun was going for the ball and mistimed it. Their guy didn't even make an attempt to get the ball. Both right decisions for me.

 

[Acker79]

Careless - no card.
Wreckless - player cautioned.
Excessive force - sent off.

Yes, but in the post of yours I quoted you said straight reds are given for careless, reckless and excessive force. They are three different things, only one of which gets red.

"Careless”
means that the player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making his challenge or that he acted without precaution

“Reckless”
means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent

“Using excessive force”
means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes, but in the post of yours I quoted you said straight reds are given for careless, reckless and excessive force. They are three different things, only one of which gets red.

"Careless”
means that the player has shown a lack of attention or consideration when making his challenge or that he acted without precaution

“Reckless”
means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent

“Using excessive force”
means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent

If I wasn’t clear, here is the law
https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

 

[Triggaaar]

Look again. He didn't go for the ball: just threw his foot at Bissouma.

I've only seen it from one angle (from behind Mounie), and I couldn't tell whether he was going for the ball or player - from just that one angle, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Is there a different angle that shows he wasn't trying to play the ball?

 

[Acker79]

Here is the source https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf

Yes, that's where I got my definitions from. This is really confusing me.

You: You get a straight red for careless, reckless and excessive force
me: actually, you only get straight red for excessive force
You: you get a free kick for careless challenge, yellow for reckless, red for excessive force
me: yes, that's what I said, but you originally said you get a red for all three, but the three are different things, here's how the law defines careless, reckless and excessive force
You: here's the law...

 

[Weststander]

I've only seen it from one angle (from behind Mounie), and I couldn't tell whether he was going for the ball or player - from just that one angle, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Is there a different angle that shows he wasn't trying to play the ball?

The replay in this video IMO shows that it was a red card foul.

https://highlightsfootball.com/video/huddersfield-town-vs-brighton-hove-albion-highlights-2/#close

No where near the ball and the reckless challenge leaves impact/studs on shin/knee.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I've only seen it from one angle (from behind Mounie), and I couldn't tell whether he was going for the ball or player - from just that one angle, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Is there a different angle that shows he wasn't trying to play the ball?

I think it was naughty. Just my instinctive gut reaction that you’d know you were leaving one on your opponent in that situation.

 

[studio150]

If the studs land on an oppentents shin above the shinpad then it must be a red card. The days of Copper Harris and Norman bites yer legs Hunter have long gone.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes, that's where I got my definitions from. This is really confusing me.

You: You get a straight red for careless, reckless and excessive force
me: actually, you only get straight red for excessive force
You: you get a free kick for careless challenge, yellow for reckless, red for excessive force
me: yes, that's what I said, but you originally said you get a red for all three, but the three are different things, here's how the law defines careless, reckless and excessive force
You: here's the law...

If you read the law about excessive force, you will see it implies the other two. The excessive force explanation states “in danger of injuring the opponent.” The wreckless explanation states “disregard to the danger to the opponent”. If you’re in danger of injuring someone you have shown disregard to the danger of the opponent. And disregard implies lack of attention and consideration which is the definition of careless. I think this is clear and they are not mutually different things which I think you're suggesting. That’s how I see it

 

[Weststander]

I think it was naughty. Just my instinctive gut reaction that you’d know you were leaving one on your opponent in that situation.

Impossible to prove, but he meant it.

 

[W3 BHA]

It's a good job Chopper Harris and Norman, bite yer legs, Hunter played when they did. They wouldn't get much time on the pitch nowadays!

 

[graz126]

haven't seen a replay yet, but at the game in real time looked a bit harsh for red. not complaining though. my post last week was about us needing a bit more luck from ref decisions.

 

[Stato]

If the studs land on an oppentents shin above the shinpad then it must be a red card. The days of Copper Harris and Norman bites yer legs Hunter have long gone.

 

[drew]

If the studs land on an oppentents shin above the shinpad then it must be a red card. The days of Copper Harris and Norman bites yer legs Hunter have long gone.

I think some people don't think the games moved on since that pair!

 

[Gazwag]

Wagner is whinging no red penalty red on the three decisions well **** him