[Football] MOTD - 22:30 BBC One

[The Rivet]

In fairness, both Shearer and Murphy ripping into the two VAR decisions for the penalties, fairly strong language used.

For me, not strong enough! Because of VAR we are potentially down 5/6 pts. In European football and league placing that costs us 10's of millions.

 

[trueblue]

That hit Mac Allisters hip...how they can rule that goal out based on the video evidence I do not know??

Absolutely. Thought I must be going mad as, at the very first viewing of the replay, I could see it hit his hip when everyone’s been talking about handball. One viewing. How many times did they watch it and still get it wrong?

 

[clapham_gull]

That was fair enough, they can't do a whole show on one game.

Enough for viewers to see that Brighton were robbed of two clear penalties (both a clear and obvious error) and at least one goal. Much made of the Mitoma decision but from that angle the Wellbeck decision looks even worse.

 

[SK1NT]

was worse than i even thought from being at the game. Shocking shocking decisions.

 

[brighton_dave]

Had calmed down but seeing it again I'm again fuming. Hadn't noticed the Welbeck goal had hit Macs hip yet it's deemed clear and obvious error.
I really do think VAR can do one.
Its completely removed the excitement from football and resulted in more anger.
I'd be out of a job tomorrow if I was half as incompetent.
The fact Webb can come out time and time again with such lame excuses yet it continues to happen is inexcusable.
They've been spooked by the super league proposals.

 

[Bodian]

Absolutely. Thought I must be going mad as, at the very first viewing of the replay, I could see it hit his hip when everyone’s been talking about handball. One viewing. How many times did they watch it and still get it wrong?

Yes - that was the one that annoyed me most when watching it on a stream live - I just couldn't see that it had definitively hit his arm/elbow/whatever.

 

[The Fits]

If MOTD are saying that then clearly we have been robbed. We should have won at least 4-2. I genuinely think Bloom should get the solicitors in and sue.

 

[METALMICKY]

Absolutely. Thought I must be going mad as, at the very first viewing of the replay, I could see it hit his hip when everyone’s been talking about handball. One viewing. How many times did they watch it and still get it wrong?

Just wow! By contrast on first viewing I thought it was the hand. However, as you say they have numerous chances to review and ultimately see that it only hits his hip.

 

[Eeyore]

Oh yes - I meant we were robbed.

However, Shearer/Murphy reckons there should have been three penalties, and that it didn't hit MacAllister's arm.

I'm pretty sure it did.

The one thing I did pick up on was the pulled shirt. I didn't cry fowl because Albion have got away with quite a few of those this year. But at what stage is the tipping point ? Pulling shirts really annoys me and VAR only seems to rule if a player is denied a clear goal scoring chance (ball at feet).

The Linesman raised his flag on the Mitoma hand ball. So that was the problem. It reverted to 'Umpire's Call' so it wasn't given as the replay cannot be certain. So if there was an error there it was the linesman rather than VAR. It may have stood otherwise.

But that doesn't let VAR off a rather long hook.

 

[Ooh it’s a corner]

Was live on TV in Ireland and could see we were robbed then but MOTD was even clearer - a ridiculous and completely indefensible collection of bad decisions. The consolation I take is that EVERYONE knows we were the better team and deserved to win. Well played RDZ. We are indeed proud of our team

 

[The Rivet]

I'm pretty sure it did.

The one thing I did pick up on was the pulled shirt. I didn't cry fowl because Albion have got away with quite a few of those this year. But at what stage is the tipping point ? Pulling shirts really annoys me and VAR only seems to rule if a player is denied a clear goal scoring chance (ball at feet).

The Linesman raised his flag on the Mitoma hand ball. So that was the problem. It reverted to 'Umpire's Call' so it wasn't given as the replay cannot be certain. So if there was an error there it was the linesman rather than VAR. It may have stood otherwise.

But that doesn't let VAR off a rather long hook.

For some reason (forgive me) I get the 'hump' with some of your posts!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'm pretty sure it did.

The one thing I did pick up on was the pulled shirt. I didn't cry fowl because Albion have got away with quite a few of those this year. But at what stage is the tipping point ? Pulling shirts really annoys me and VAR only seems to rule if a player is denied a clear goal scoring chance (ball at feet).

The Linesman raised his flag on the Mitoma hand ball. So that was the problem. It reverted to 'Umpire's Call' so it wasn't given as the replay cannot be certain. So if there was an error there it was the linesman rather than VAR. It may have stood otherwise.

But that doesn't let VAR off a rather long hook.

The linesman flagged Mitomoa’s handball but was grabbing his own arm over his badge. Surely the ref should’ve communicated to the link, that the sleeve is not handball

 

[The Rivet]

I have to say referees and VAR tonight on MOTD do not look at all competent.

 

[horshamite]

And the push on Mitoma as the ball came in Awful, awful decisions.

 

[Eeyore]

For some reason (forgive me) I get the 'hump' with some of your posts!

Don't worry, it's fine. I get the hump with referees being accused of corruption when there is no evidence and also the belief that any match we lose is the officials fault. But, hey, nothing wrong with a bit of robust debate. I only give my view on here, I dare not go to the Facebook sewer.

But, even disagreeing with the takes on some of the decisions today, I would say VAR cost us dearly. If Mitoma had been awarded the penalty it would have changed the course of the match.

I think we can all agree on that.

 

[METALMICKY]

What's all this wailing and gnashing of teeth? When Howard calls RDZ to apologise on Monday we'll all feel so much better for it

 

[GT49er]

Absolutely. Thought I must be going mad as, at the very first viewing of the replay, I could see it hit his hip when everyone’s been talking about handball. One viewing. How many times did they watch it and still get it wrong?

Yes, from the commentary and all the punditry and comments since, I had reluctantly accepted that Welbeck's goal was disallowed because it accidentally touched Mac's hand. Having seen it on MOTD, I tend to agree that it probably hit his hip. Probably - that's the significant fact; it wasn't clear enough hand ball to be over-ruled by the VAR..
Other than that, I got the impression that Shearer had been told to tone it down - the BBC (apart from 606) has been much less vociferous in its condemnation of incompetance than other media. Wonder why it was considered more acceptable to get incandescant about Brentford's penalty that VAR should have kept its nose out of?

 

[Conkers]

Thought on first viewing (in the stadium) that Mac’s handball was fair enough as that is the rule.
On second viewing at home it’s so clear it didn’t even touch his arm. How that can be deemed as a ‘clear and obvious’ error I have no idea.

 

[Eeyore]

The linesman flagged Mitomoa’s handball but was grabbing his own arm over his badge. Surely the ref should’ve communicated to the link, that the sleeve is not handball

That did seem a little odd. But I wondered if he was just doing a generic indication to the ref.

He must know the rules. I hope he does anyway.

 

[Bodian]

Yes, from the commentary and all the punditry and comments since, I had reluctantly accepted that Welbeck's goal was disallowed because it accidentally touched Mac's hand. Having seem it on MOTD, I tend to agree that it probably hit his hip. Probably - that's the significant fact; it wasn't clear enough hand ball to be over-rued by the VAR..

This.