[Humour] Most of us are in favour of organ donation right?

[jonnyrovers]

Some people don't want to opt out, because they want to donate.

They just don't like the idea that their body is property of the state. It is how it feels to them when the decision to opt in, is taken away.

Previous posters have dispelled the ‘property of the state’ myth better than I can. It really isn’t a scenario that would/could ever exist outside of a George Orwell novel.

A person that feels this way is demonstrating an irrational fear of imagined state powers, probably indicative of a lack of mental capacity, and ultimately rendering their organs unsuitable for transplant. They have nothing to fear.


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[btnbelle]

The priority is a dignified death for the potential donor, where his/her wishes are understood and acted on by all concerned. I honestly can’t see that changing.


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But what comes next?

The relatives of the donor or the recipient who will have their life saved by the donation?

 

[btnbelle]

Previous posters have dispelled the ‘property of the state’ myth better than I can. It really isn’t a scenario that would/could ever exist outside of a George Orwell novel.

A person that feels this way is demonstrating an irrational fear of imagined state powers, probably indicative of a lack of mental capacity, and ultimately rendering their organs unsuitable for transplant. They have nothing to fear.


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Everyone deserves consideration evens those with mental health challenges

 

[Bold Seagull]

You're making a lot of assumptions there. Are you party to discussions I've had with my relatives? You can turn it into a selfish vs charitable argument if you like, but you know full well that it's not as black and white as that.

Actually no, I've taken your point about state control and flipped it around to say its the same state that will do everything to save your life.

I can accept a lot of reasons for not donating organs, and can respect people's reasons for it, but to suggest an opt-out policy is about state control I find hypocritical, which is the point I was making.

 

[Postman Pat]

Doner card? For kebab shop loyalty points?


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It's where your organs get mushed together and are sent to the local kebab shop.

 

[1066familyman]

Actually no, I've taken your point about state control and flipped it around to say its the same state that will do everything to save your life.

I can accept a lot of reasons for not donating organs, and can respect people's reasons for it, but to suggest an opt-out policy is about state control I find hypocritical, which is the point I was making.

Well then we disagree. I find your conclusion too simplistic.

 

[jonnyrovers]

But what comes next?

The relatives of the donor or the recipient who will have their life saved by the donation?

I honestly don't understand your question.

 

[jonnyrovers]

Everyone deserves consideration evens those with mental health challenges

I was joking. Seriously though, if you think the state can own you, well I'm not sure what to say.

 

[jonnyrovers]

It's where your organs get mushed together and are sent to the local kebab shop.

Mmmm tasty organs nom nom nom nom....

 

[Saunders]

Only issue I have with this is when organs are used for "research" which leaves you to med students and their hilarious ways.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Actually no, I've taken your point about state control and flipped it around to say its the same state that will do everything to save your life.

I can accept a lot of reasons for not donating organs, and can respect people's reasons for it, but to suggest an opt-out policy is about state control I find hypocritical, which is the point I was making.

The only good thing about the state is it will try it's hardest to keep you alive! Well I say state it's actually our amazing health-care workers

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[btnbelle]

I was joking. Seriously though, if you think the state can own you, well I'm not sure what to say.

It is the way it feels to some people. The state can decide what happens to their body organs when they are no longer capable of making their own decisions. I want to donate but can't as I am exempt. If I could donate, I would love to do so. But I want to gift them, not have the state decide I have to opt out or make no decision at all, leaving me unable to gift my organs.

It is the same for receiving an organ. The gift of life would be difficult for me, if I thought an organ I had received had not been actively decided to be gifted.

 

[btnbelle]

I honestly don't understand your question.

After considering the person dying, who is thought about as the next priority?

I.e. Person is dying and will die in the next two hours. Should the relatives live five hours away, do you decided to say we will wait for the relatives to arrive or say that they will be dead anyway so lets just save the recipient.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Only issue I have with this is when organs are used for "research" which leaves you to med students and their hilarious ways.

I do hope you are joking. This is as way off the mark as suggesting that black people are cannibals. I teach medical students and do medical research and your picture of the actualité is more James Robertson Justice and Doctor On The Go (very 1950s - and even then it was fiction).

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Nope not me, and I don't need to give a reason to anyone.

Who the **** would want your organs?

 

[Saunders]

I do hope you are joking. This is as way off the mark as suggesting that black people are cannibals. I teach medical students and do medical research and your picture of the actualité is more James Robertson Justice and Doctor On The Go (very 1950s - and even then it was fiction).

Seems I touched a nerve I am talking from experience

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

I do hope you are joking. This is as way off the mark as suggesting that black people are cannibals. I teach medical students and do medical research and your picture of the actualité is more James Robertson Justice and Doctor On The Go (very 1950s - and even then it was fiction).

I used to teach Med students about trauma management and I'd be lucky to get away without one of them defibbing me or stabbing me with a cannula.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It is the way it feels to some people. The state can decide what happens to their body organs when they are no longer capable of making their own decisions. I want to donate but can't as I am exempt. If I could donate, I would love to do so. But I want to gift them, not have the state decide I have to opt out or make no decision at all, leaving me unable to gift my organs.

It is the same for receiving an organ. The gift of life would be difficult for me, if I thought an organ I had received had not been actively decided to be gifted.

This is all 'whatiffery' nonsense, sorry. It has no relationship with reality.

Anyway, back to your original premise: would I accept someone else's cock and balls? If it all had improved hydraulics, sensitivity and flying buttresses then, if needs dictated, definitely.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Seems I touched a nerve I am talking from experience

He's an expert in spynxterers

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Seems I touched a nerve I am talking from experience

In your experience, medical students abused human tissue donated for educational purposes? I hope you reported it. And what exactly was your experience?