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Mortgages look like they are getting more difficult to get.



larus

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All down to the 'credit crunch' - I think it will get worse before it gets better, only question is how much.

Article from FT.

Banks that have long fought each other to win mortgage customers, are now, unusually, taking steps to repel them. Some are withdrawing entire mortgage ranges with very little notice and many are increasing interest rates to levels that are demonstrably unattractive.

Borrowers looking for new mortgages are being thrown into complete chaos as deals they have agreed with their broker disappear from the market just hours before applications were to be signed. Many are now facing unaffordable increases to mortgage payments.

The nub of the problem is that banks do not have access to sufficient funds or administrative resources to meet high borrower demand. Funding through the wholesale markets has become prohibitively expensive and lenders increasingly are having to rely on the limited funds they receive from customer deposits. Some lenders have pulled out of the mortgage market altogether, while those still lending have scaled back their product ranges significantly.

The high level of mortgage demand is being driven by the thousands of mortgage borrowers coming to the end of cheap fixed-rate deals each month.

“Any vaguely competitive mortgages are being snapped up very quickly by new buyers and those remortgaging,” said Melanie Bien at Savills Private Finance. “Once the funds have run out, lenders have been pulling the rates and have not always been able to give notice.”

Scottish Widows Bank removed its entire range of tracker mortgages on Thursday, along with its five-year fixed rates. The bank, which is struggling to deal with a significant increase in new applications, told mortgage brokers it was unable to accept calls about new business for a week. It is due to relaunch its range on Tuesday at far higher rates.

Mortgage brokers say the speed at which top mortgage rates are disappearing is creating significant problems for borrowers. Ian Gray, senior mortgage manager at Clegg Gifford Private Clients, said: “Those coming off deals now are feeling a big shock as there has been a huge jump in mortgage rates.” He says some clients face monthly increases of up to £400. If they cannot afford the higher payments they might, in extreme cases, have to sell.

Borrowers are also having to decide very quickly which mortgage to go for as some lenders are giving just a few hours’ warning when they are going to close a deal. There are numerous examples of lenders pulling rates within 24 hours. One lender even backdated the end of the deal to the previous day.

“The ridiculous thing was that at 3 o’clock in the afternoon the Scottish Widows deal was available,” said Mr Gray. “Forty-five minutes later the bank e-mailed to say it was being withdrawn at five that afternoon. That is not good practice.”

Ray Boulger, at the broker John Charcol, said banks were purposefully giving no notice as they wanted to improve service levels for existing applicants and did not want a last minute surge of business that “could send them into meltdown”.

Mortgage brokers say some borrowers are already having to wait weeks longer than expected to receive mortgage offers, which could hold up property purchases.

Ms Bien said: “Borrowers need to understand . . . they need to move quickly to secure a rate. If they dither – even by only a few hours – they should be prepared to be disappointed.”
 




Beach Hut

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Jul 5, 2003
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This has being going on for a while and with that Carlyle credit business going tits up today who were not primarily in the sub prime market the barometer predicts very stormy weather ahead on the economic front.

Still I am sure Ocean finance will bail out most people at a price.
 




Beach Hut

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Jul 5, 2003
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Not if they go to the wholesale market to get their funds though.

There will be serious repercussions from this, as the knock-on effect could be repossessions as people who have borrowed too much can't finance their debt.

Can't argue with that and the writing is on the wall for some people however this IVA business means you can wipe the slate clean cheaper over three years and start the debt process all over again.
 










Trotster

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No worries BOF and thanks Lars - I reckon things are going to work out just peachy!

I am not looking to make money from property, I am just SO happy to have a home of my own that is mine, the only reason i would have to leave is if I dont pay the mortgage or if I chose too - after nearly 13 years of renting, its a very very good feeling!

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Trotster

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Cause its on one of these govement schemes, the apartment is mine, subject to getting a mortgage - been to see it tonight. Have had all the financials done and deposit is paid, just need to get teh full mortagage (have one in agreement) and its on to conveyancing and completion!
 


Article from FT.

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The nub of the problem is that banks do not have access to sufficient funds or administrative resources to meet high borrower demand. Funding through the wholesale markets has become prohibitively expensive and lenders increasingly are having to rely on the limited funds they receive from customer deposits. Some lenders have pulled out of the mortgage market altogether, while those still lending have scaled back their product ranges significantly.

Anyone remember the days when NO-ONE went to a bank for a loan to buy a house?

Loans came from mutually-owned building societies that existed for the sole purpose of encouraging affordable home ownership - by using members' savings to finance members' borrowings.
 




Beach Hut

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Jul 5, 2003
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Anyone remember the days when NO-ONE went to a bank for a loan to buy a house?

Loans came from mutually-owned building societies that existed for the sole purpose of encouraging affordable home ownership - by using members' savings to finance members' borrowings.

Yes which would have meant hardly anyone had houses they own, the great news is we have moved on from the dark ages and given lots of people the opportunity to buy a property through many other financing options for better or for worse but generally better.

Also this means their property can create a nest egg for later in life and relieve the pressure on the governmant to pay pensions.

Notwithstanding the fact that people do not throw money away on rent.

Terrible world isn't it.
 


Bozza

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Yes which would have meant hardly anyone had houses they own, the great news is we have moved on from the dark ages and given lots of people the opportunity to buy a property through many other financing options for better or for worse but generally better.

Also this means their property can create a nest egg for later in life and relieve the pressure on the governmant to pay pensions.

Notwithstanding the fact that people do not throw money away on rent.

Terrible world isn't it.

You've completely mis-interpreted Lord B there, I believe.

I think his point was that people did not go to a bank for a loan/mortgage, they went to a building society, of which there are precious few left.

The goal of a building society (benefit the members) is somewhat different to that of a bank (benefit the shareholders).
 


Beach Hut

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You've completely mis-interpreted Lord B there.

I think his point was that people did not go to a bank for a loan/mortgage, they went to a building society, of which there are precious few left.

The goal of a building society (benefit the members) is somewhat different to that of a bank (benefit the shareholders).

Not at all it is called free enterprise which means that more people get an option so better.
 








Beach Hut

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In the short run, maybe.

There's precious little evidence that this is sustainable over generations.

Naturally as the time is not there to prove if sustainable however if you have faith in Maggies legacy it will work.
 


Bozza

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Not at all it is called free enterprise which means that more people get an option so better.

I'm not sure what you mean by "not at all", but you did mis-interpret Lord B. It's too late for me to be arsed with researching home ownership statistics over the past 30 years or so, but I certainly don't recall massive 'buy to let' booms in the 70s and early 80s, ie before the flood of building society demutualisations began. And if a lot of people are 'buy to let'ting, then a lot of people must be letting.

The simple fact is that if shareholders are involved, then there is a need to provide shareholder return, generally made up of 2 components:

- Share price appreciation
- Dividend yield

And when these 2 financial targets are being sought, borrowers will be getting a worse deal than if they were not a factor.
 




Beach Hut

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I'm not sure what you mean by "not at all", but you did mis-interpret Lord B. It's too late for me to be arsed with researching home ownership statistics over the past 30 years or so, but I certainly don't recall massive 'buy to let' booms in the 70s and early 80s, ie before the flood of building society demutualisations began. And if a lot of people are 'buy to let'ting, then a lot of people must be letting.

The simple fact is that if shareholders are involved, then there is a need to provide shareholder return, generally made up of 2 components:

- Share price appreciation
- Dividend yield

And when these 2 financial targets are being sought, borrowers will be getting a worse deal than if they were not a factor.

To a certain extent that is correct however it is better for people to own and have a potential asset whatever the way they chose to do this as opposed to just paying money into a black hole called rent.
 


Bozza

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Also this means their property can create a nest egg for later in life and relieve the pressure on the governmant to pay pensions.

So are you proposing that people should be less concerned with pension provision if they own their property?

If so - incredibly naive on many, many levels.
 


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