[Albion] Morteza Pouraliganji

[rogersix]

There is right and wrong to the extent that you may use evidence to substantiate your claims. For example, you claim that Dunk is not good enough in the air despite being 6ft 4. Despite you saying this, Dunk had more headed clearances than Mawson, than £60 million rated Harry Maguire. This also, despite it being Shane Duffy who generally challenges for the first ball when we defend an aerial ball, with Dunk using his positioning to defend the second ball (Shane Duffy is by far and away the division leader in headed clearances). This is a statistical reality. And arguing against this is therefore simply wrong.
Furthermore, the assertion “Dunk is unlikely to be pursued by other clubs as the cost he would incur would be in excess of his true value.” = Fair comment, backed by evidence, reflective of a reality.
“Dunk’s value is £15-18 million, based on false claims that he is poor in the air, and quizzical suggestions that his impressive blocking statistics somehow indicate that he has poor positioning and his blocks are a result of him either accidentally getting in the way or having to compensate for his poor positional sense.” = Quite simply wrong.

Your assertion re Dunk’s positioning and block statistics is moronic in a variety of ways but I argue it can boil down to one simple fact. Defenders position themselves SO they can block shots. As well as intercepting of course. So how do you reconcile your quite honestly idiotic claim that Dunk’s positioning is poor in relation to other defenders when Dunk has the 5th highest number of interceptions in the league, and 3rd when you only compare between Defenders?

#NeverWrong

EDIT: To address the point of Gareth Southgate not including Dunk in the England Squad. It is my personal opinion that Dunk was good enough to go to Russia, but I understand Harry Maguire’s strengths at the back, as well as Cahill’s experience etc etc. We’ll never know if Dunk would have cut it if he’d gone, but irrelevant of this, him not being selected and England subsequently having a good tournament does not substantiate any of your claims about Lewis Dunk’s worth, not his ability as a defender. The game is indeed all about opinions, but they are not all equal. For the most yours are baffling, backed by no evidence whatsoever and deserve scrutiny and rebuttal. A misinformed fool is generally fine and inevitable, but one who is arrogant and constantly spouts rubbish is intolerable.

hmmm...
this is all fairly compeling, however...
you are up against BG and he was a cub... for sussex... or something.
a PUBLICAN... that's it, so he's heard a lot of drunken bollox, in his pub...
an next e used to scout for glen oddle... or someone! FS

 

[dazzer6666]

What other CBs HAVE to throw themselves at the ball to block it. effective but necessary I generally like Dunk and feel that he has not let us down very often but people need to take their blue and white glasses off.

You’ve got to be on a wind-up

 

[Gabbiano]

I must have watched a different world cup then as saw most CB win the ball by tackles or interceptions.

I think you're watching an entirely different sport.

 

[Coldeanseagull]

I must have watched a different world cup then as saw most CB win the ball by tackles or interceptions.

The world cup didn't start 'til 1930
Sorry BG, I must totally disagree with you on this one. A centre back throwing himself into a last ditch tackle seemed to happen in every game I watched.....and I didn't miss many

 

[The Tactician]

What other CBs HAVE to throw themselves at the ball to block it. effective but necessary I generally like Dunk and feel that he has not let us down very often but people need to take their blue and white glasses off.

As I alluded to, this is going beyond just being a little clueless but well meaning. You are irritating me with your arrogance, and you are not addressing any of the evidence I am presenting to you. There was every chance you hadn’t seen or known of those stats before, but now you are wilfully ignoring them. Dunk’s blocks are generally controlled, deliberate actions. I don’t think you will ever accept the possibility of you being wrong, but I gain some satisfaction that others see you for what you are. No sympathy for you I’m afraid, if you admitted where you wrong or showed humility I might’ve had a different view.

 

[albionite]

As I alluded to, this is going beyond just being a little clueless but well meaning. You are irritating me with your arrogance, and you are not addressing any of the evidence I am presenting to you. There was every chance you hadn’t seen or known of those stats before, but now you are wilfully ignoring them. Dunk’s blocks are generally controlled, deliberate actions. I don’t think you will ever accept the possibility of you being wrong, but I gain some satisfaction that others see you for what you are. No sympathy for you I’m afraid, if you admitted where you wrong or showed humility I might’ve had a different view.

None of that matters to BG it’s all about his post count

 

[Insel affe]

As I alluded to, this is going beyond just being a little clueless but well meaning. You are irritating me with your arrogance, and you are not addressing any of the evidence I am presenting to you. There was every chance you hadn’t seen or known of those stats before, but now you are wilfully ignoring them. Dunk’s blocks are generally controlled, deliberate actions. I don’t think you will ever accept the possibility of you being wrong, but I gain some satisfaction that others see you for what you are. No sympathy for you I’m afraid, if you admitted where you wrong or showed humility I might’ve had a different view.

BG pay attention to these wise words, as they are a fact.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I must have watched a different world cup then as saw most CB win the ball by tackles or interceptions.

Wibble

 

[Triggaaar]

If there's one thing BG's been #neverwrong on for such a staggeringly sustained period of time, it's in his analysis, valuation and perception of Lewis Dunk. It was only a couple of seasons back he was suggesting we should take £1 million for him from Fulham, as well as stating that'll he never be as good as Tommy Elphick

Please find those quotes.

 

[Triggaaar]

What other CBs HAVE to throw themselves at the ball to block it.

Every CB from every team that lets a goal in.

 

[Stat Brother]

I'm gonna have a BG free day and will let all the jibbish just pass me by.




I doubt I'll get to elevenses

 

[blockhseagull]

If we were to keep Norwood.... this could be a possibility.

Or sell Suttner.

 

[dazzer6666]

If we were to keep Norwood.... this could be a possibility.

Or sell Suttner.

Norwood won’t be in the squad according to the Argus.

 

[GOM]

As I alluded to, this is going beyond just being a little clueless but well meaning. You are irritating me with your arrogance, and you are not addressing any of the evidence I am presenting to you. There was every chance you hadn’t seen or known of those stats before, but now you are wilfully ignoring them. Dunk’s blocks are generally controlled, deliberate actions. I don’t think you will ever accept the possibility of you being wrong, but I gain some satisfaction that others see you for what you are. No sympathy for you I’m afraid, if you admitted where you wrong or showed humility I might’ve had a different view.

I don't see arrogance from BG, just an opinion. Perhaps it is you who is demonstrating arrogance in thinking your opinion is more valuable because you think you have justified it. Do you expect apologies and humility from everyone who has a different opinion to yourself ?

This is a forum for opinions.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

If we were to keep Norwood.... this could be a possibility.

Or sell Suttner.

I agree. We could do a lot worse.

The only thing is that would there be a WP issue next season if he plays insufficient games?


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[BensGrandad]

I don't see arrogance from BG, just an opinion. Perhaps it is you who is demonstrating arrogance in thinking your opinion is more valuable because you think you have justified it. Do you expect apologies and humility from everyone who has a different opinion to yourself ?

This is a forum for opinions.

Pleased to read that as it demonstrates exactly what I am saying I am not decrying LD as he is a valuable asset and member of our squad but I was stating my opinion of his faults or limitations IMHO. I do believe that we get carried away because he is one of our own and we want to have a super hero and perhaps see him as better than he perhaps is. This has been demonstrated by the many posts that Southgate didnt know what he was doing not including him in the squad. So rather than a knock at LD this is a knock at the perception of many on here.

Whatever CH, who knows more than me , decides is fine by me but it wont stop me saying if I think his judgement is wrong

 

[NooBHA]

I don't see arrogance from BG, just an opinion. Perhaps it is you who is demonstrating arrogance in thinking your opinion is more valuable because you think you have justified it. Do you expect apologies and humility from everyone who has a different opinion to yourself ?

This is a forum for opinions.

I agree - Sometimes BGs views are a wee bit ''doo-lally'' but he has some interesting and clever ones as well

 

[Ecosse Exile]

I used to be a huge critic of Lewis Dunk, imho he was an absolute liability, throwing himself into tackles when he would have been better staying on his feet, he showed a lot of immaturity in his game, I would have driven him to Fulham for the money they were offering.

How short-sighted I was... In the last 3 years Dunk has grown in maturity, in discipline, in his positional sense, in fact in every single area immeasurably, of the players BG listed I would be incredibly disappointed if we were to replace Dunk with Lascelles or Mawson, neither come close.

Maguire's value has grown immensely it seems on the back of his world cup displays, and fair play on that, he was very good, but let's not forget that people were arguing the case for Dunk to be included in that world cup squad, he isn't far behind.

So if Leicester are asking £60-80 million for him, then I don't think £35-50 million for Dunk is out of the question, and that value will only grow if he continues to play well in the premier league.

So to suggest that we would only get slightly north of what Reading are asking for Moore.... Well, quite frankly, whatever you're drinking... I'll have two of them!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You’ve got to be on a wind-up

Nailed it.

 

[The Tactician]

I don't see arrogance from BG, just an opinion. Perhaps it is you who is demonstrating arrogance in thinking your opinion is more valuable because you think you have justified it. Do you expect apologies and humility from everyone who has a different opinion to yourself ?

This is a forum for opinions.

To clarify, I did state it previously but yes, of course everyone is entitled to an opinion. However, it is my personal belief that in order to give any argument credibility, you have to justify it with evidence. If you disagree with that fair enough, not sure there is anything I can say to you. Posters are well within their rights to post any opinion, but they cannot be surprised if people call them out on it if it is not backed by anything substantial or is simply untrue. This applies to BG more than most taking into account his refusal to accept any possibility of him being wrong, and posting this drivel on the regular. That for me personally, is arrogance and deserves to be called out.